Current firefly main gun deals 200 damage per shot, which is 25% more than other 60 range tds. But its reload time is 8 seconds, almost 50% more than other 60 range tds like su-85. I think it needs a rof buff, so brits can get rid of multiple 6 pounders late game.
What do you guys think?
Sherman firefly tweak
15 Oct 2019, 15:20 PM
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15 Oct 2019, 15:23 PM
#2
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Rate of fire does get improved with veterancy.
"Pain is almost euphoric sam!"
15 Oct 2019, 15:32 PM
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Vet 3 FF have 6 sec load, but still, 8 sec at fist is too long. I think buff it reload at vet 0 to 7 and torn down vet bonus to keep vet 3 at 6.
15 Oct 2019, 15:33 PM
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I think the FF is literally perfect. It hits hard on 800+ HP targets, has low mobility and turret traverse but becomes a monster with veterancy as a reward for keeping it alive.
Also any buff to the FF would require some form of nerf because of its ability to 2x shot + tulip combo kill any 640HP tank.
Also any buff to the FF would require some form of nerf because of its ability to 2x shot + tulip combo kill any 640HP tank.
15 Oct 2019, 15:35 PM
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Rate of fire does get improved with veterancy.
Every tank destroyer gets rof bonus with veterancy, but vetted firefly still get a 50% longer reload for 25% more damage before it reaches vet 3.
15 Oct 2019, 15:47 PM
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I think the FF is literally perfect. It hits hard on 800+ HP targets, has low mobility and turret traverse but becomes a monster with veterancy as a reward for keeping it alive.
Also any buff to the FF would require some form of nerf because of its ability to 2x shot + tulip combo kill any 640HP tank.
But it just got a cost reduce because it was UP... I don't think tulip insta kill is easy to perform since the rockets have scatter. Maybe reduce the rocket damage to 100 and get the reload to 6, then nerf the vet 2 reload bonus from 25% to 20%. 25% more damage for 25% more reload is more balanced.
15 Oct 2019, 15:52 PM
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Lasting thing this game needs is more buffs to the allied TDs.
15 Oct 2019, 15:55 PM
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I think the FF is literally perfect. It hits hard on 800+ HP targets, has low mobility and turret traverse but becomes a monster with veterancy as a reward for keeping it alive.
I don't agree. Firefly gets no penetration boost with veterancy and even at vet 3 bounces often against heavy Axis tanks. Unlike Jackson and SU 85.
15 Oct 2019, 15:58 PM
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But it just got a cost reduce because it was UP... I don't think tulip insta kill is easy to perform since the rockets have scatter. Maybe reduce the rocket damage to 100 and get the reload to 6, then nerf the vet 2 reload bonus from 25% to 20%. 25% more damage for 25% more reload is more balanced.
Personally I have no idea why it got a cost decrease. That was the balance team and it was very poorly communicated as to why that occurred. Very few thought the firefly was UP prior to the patch. Don't think the rockets scatter, and if they do it is very minimal to the point where it is barely influencing.
15 Oct 2019, 16:02 PM
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Lasting thing this game needs is more buffs to the allied TDs.
You think firefly is fine then? Without tulips firefly imo is worse than cheaper su-85 in terms of dps, speed and acceleraion.
15 Oct 2019, 16:04 PM
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I don't agree. Firefly gets no penetration boost with veterancy and even at vet 3 bounces often against heavy Axis tanks. Unlike Jackson and SU 85.
Hm my fireflies never bounce off of german tanks...
15 Oct 2019, 16:06 PM
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Hm my fireflies never bounce off of german tanks...
Check Firefly penetration and Axis tanks armour values. Then compare to cheaper Jackson and SU 85. Saying Firefly doesn't bounce is like saying 2+2=5 to be honest.
15 Oct 2019, 16:21 PM
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Check Firefly penetration and Axis tanks armour values. Then compare to cheaper Jackson and SU 85. Saying Firefly doesn't bounce is like saying 2+2=5 to be honest.
Alright, but then my firefly should never bounce as all Allied TD have far superior pen compared to highest Axis armor values lol.
15 Oct 2019, 16:42 PM
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You think firefly is fine then? Without tulips firefly imo is worse than cheaper su-85 in terms of dps, speed and acceleraion.
And SU-85 is an extremely cost efficient unit having one of the best guns in game. Try to compare it with JP4 and you will see another picture.
On top of that FF gets:
Commander for extra vision+accuracy
One of longest MID ranges having less drop off in penetration and accuracy
Access to "warspeed" and Hammer tracking
A turret
A coaxial
Less tech cost
Superior damage (even more via veterancy)
Tullips, there is very little reason for one not to get Tullips, since there no disadvantage in taking the upgrade.
15 Oct 2019, 16:49 PM
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Alright, but then my firefly should never bounce as all Allied TD have far superior pen compared to highest Axis armor values lol.
???
Firefly far pen 210
KT armour 375
Tiger 300
OKW P4 238
Panther 260 and 286 at vet 2
JT/Ele 400/450
Brummbär 240 and 288 after vet 2
etc
15 Oct 2019, 17:06 PM
#18
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And SU-85 is an extremely cost efficient unit having one of the best guns in game. Try to compare it with JP4 and you will see another picture.
On top of that FF gets:
Commander for extra vision+accuracy
One of longest MID ranges having less drop off in penetration and accuracy
Access to "warspeed" and Hammer tracking
A turret
A coaxial
Less tech cost
Superior damage (even more via veterancy)
Tullips, there is very little reason for one not to get Tullips, since there no disadvantage in taking the upgrade.
Yes
voice of reason.
Any rof buff, you have to drop damages down to 160.
Also Axis dont have crew repairs. So you cant hide away for quick on spot repairs. 200 HP hurts more.
15 Oct 2019, 18:08 PM
#19
Posts: 4474
Current firefly main gun deals 200 damage per shot, which is 25% more than other 60 range tds. But its reload time is 8 seconds, almost 50% more than other 60 range tds like su-85. I think it needs a rof buff, so brits can get rid of multiple 6 pounders late game.
What do you guys think?
does the su 85 have :
rotating turrets
tulips
tank commander
160 frontal armor
200 damage
access to war speed
???
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Katitof-2018
15 Oct 2019, 20:48 PM
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FF is fine.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
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