I think many are aware that british tank based machine guns are terrible. The comet recently recieved a buff to its hull machine gun bringing it inline with its coaxial machine gun in addition to other buffs. This is good but I feel like the cromwell should have been buffed as well.
Both of the cromwell mgs are identical to the pre buff hull mg of the comet resulting in even LOWER damage than the comet pre buff.
The cromwell should have both of its mgs buffed to the same level as the comets new hull mg which would give them both the same MG damage output vs infantry.
TLDR, cromwell machine guns are even worse than pre buff comet, plz buff them to post buff comet levels.
Cromwell MGs
11 Oct 2019, 07:32 AM
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11 Oct 2019, 07:52 AM
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11 Oct 2019, 08:18 AM
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Sounds nice, but i'm afraid comet will be overshadowed...since crom is cheap.
11 Oct 2019, 08:30 AM
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Sounds nice, but i'm afraid comet will be overshadowed...since crom is cheap.
I highly doubt that since comet still has 160 more HP, 5 more range, 130 more armor, 65 more penetration, crew grenades and willie pete shells-on top of the recent price reduction.
11 Oct 2019, 08:50 AM
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mg on vehicles are mess and they should come inline. On the other hand soviet mg are way too powerful. There is little reason for 2 mg to have the same DPS of the 3 especailly since pintle has mu cost.
11 Oct 2019, 08:56 AM
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I highly doubt that since comet still has 160 more HP, 5 more range, 130 more armor, 65 more penetration, crew grenades and willie pete shells-on top of the recent price reduction.
Comet has 18 pop. And is less mobile than crom. If you want to drive off infantry capping your far point, crom is better, its role is like late game t-70. If you want to attack axis directly, church is better with high hit points.
Not mentioning that comet still loses to panther 1v1. Comet still needs buff imo, if mg buff applys to crom.
11 Oct 2019, 08:59 AM
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mg on vehicles are mess and they should come inline. On the other hand soviet mg are way too powerful. There is little reason for 2 mg to have the same DPS of the 3 especailly since pintle has mu cost.
Actually, the shit performance of main gun is the reason and since you learn patch notes by heart, you're more then well aware of it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Oct 2019, 10:37 AM
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11 Oct 2019, 10:54 AM
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I actually think the way to go with the Cromwell is improving its AT: give it timed +penetration rounds or something.
If you improve its AI, it competes with the Centaur and the Churchill. What UKF really needs is a competent AT tank sitting between the AEC and the Firely.
Maybe move some of its speed buffs down vet, so it can disengage really easily?
If you improve its AI, it competes with the Centaur and the Churchill. What UKF really needs is a competent AT tank sitting between the AEC and the Firely.
Maybe move some of its speed buffs down vet, so it can disengage really easily?
11 Oct 2019, 11:00 AM
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I'd have most of the AI on all tanks loaded towards the mgs so that it's consistent instead of bursty. Certain units of course would have heavy AI guns (current AI specialists) but most tanks it should be in the MG. The amount of times I've seen a tank miss static infantry a number of times in a row when the mgs should have just eaten him is astounding. Tanks should be feared for infantry.
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11 Oct 2019, 11:15 AM
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most of the tank mg power should come from hull mg for all tank. That would prevent them from easily circle strafing ATG and would reward better placement. And as mentioned before there should be an overhaul to all vehcile mg since both the profiles and DPS all over the place.
11 Oct 2019, 11:22 AM
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Actually, the shit performance of main gun is the reason and since you learn patch notes by heart, you're more then well aware of it.
Patch notes do not mention anything about a "shit perfomance of main gun". PLS stop invetning thing that are in patch notes only according to you.
"Developer Comments: We felt the T-34/76 was under performing and needed some improvements to help deal with infantry."
And this does not change the fact this value are way higher than most other vehicles and an overhaul is needed.
11 Oct 2019, 11:23 AM
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Underperforming means it needs buff.
You'd rather see the gun having lower scatter or reload and significantly increase one shot wipe potential or have MGs buffed to increase AI reliability that way?
In fact, I believe that T34 approach to MGs should be how AI is balanced for all generalist tanks.
You'd rather see the gun having lower scatter or reload and significantly increase one shot wipe potential or have MGs buffed to increase AI reliability that way?
In fact, I believe that T34 approach to MGs should be how AI is balanced for all generalist tanks.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Oct 2019, 11:42 AM
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I actually think the way to go with the Cromwell is improving its AT: give it timed +penetration rounds or something.
If you improve its AI, it competes with the Centaur and the Churchill. What UKF really needs is a competent AT tank sitting between the AEC and the Firely.
Maybe move some of its speed buffs down vet, so it can disengage really easily?
Is that not the point of the comet/churchill? The comet is slightly slower but has a much better gun and armor while the churchill flings so much armor it can tank enough damage to set up AT guns behind it to kill tanks. Cromwell in my opinion should be able to deal with panzer 4s in either a 1v1 or 1 cromwell + snare panzer 4 at worst, while having above average AI.
11 Oct 2019, 11:45 AM
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Comet has 18 pop. And is less mobile than crom. If you want to drive off infantry capping your far point, crom is better, its role is like late game t-70. If you want to attack axis directly, church is better with high hit points.
Not mentioning that comet still loses to panther 1v1. Comet still needs buff imo, if mg buff applys to crom.
Moving from one side of the map to the other relies on top speed. In this a vet 0 comet is only 0.1 speed(6.9 vs 7) slower than cromwell which is marginal. With vet, the comet is actually a fair bit FASTER by 0.6 speed (9 vs 8.4). Coupled with the fact the Comet has more AI tools (WP and grenades) than the cromwell, your mobility argument simply does not hold up at all.
Obviously the comet loses to the panther 1v1, the comet has a lot more utility against infantry and is "more mobile"-which is apparently a HUGE advantage...
I'm going to pretend you were joking about the pop cap issue.
11 Oct 2019, 11:47 AM
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Before katitof and vipper turn the thread into another flamewar I just want to put forward my proposal
Fuel price from 110 to 125
MGs to match the comet
Centaur will still remains relevant like the ostwind. UKF tier 3 in this way mirrors ostheer.
Fuel price from 110 to 125
MGs to match the comet
Centaur will still remains relevant like the ostwind. UKF tier 3 in this way mirrors ostheer.
Let's unite the CoH2 community and make sure racism is
11 Oct 2019, 11:50 AM
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Fuel price from 110 to 125
MGs to match the comet
Centaur will still remains relevant like the ostwind.
I don't think an increased fuel cost is a fair balance for buffed MGs especially on a below par tank. It's currently in my opinion below par for an AI vehicle and is below par for AT often requiring support.
11 Oct 2019, 11:51 AM
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Before katitof and vipper turn the thread into another flamewar I just want to put forward my proposal
Fuel price from 110 to 125
MGs to match the comet
Centaur will still remains relevant like the ostwind.
Hmm, you think the Cromwell is under priced? I'm not sure I agree even if it did get MG buffs especially when you put it side by side with the Sherman, but what's your reasoning?
(also not sure why the centaur was brought up)
11 Oct 2019, 11:57 AM
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Cromwell when it had stronger AI power was 120 fuel, then crush was removed and maingun nerfed to P4 levels.
Hmm, you think the Cromwell is under priced? I'm not sure I agree even if it did get MG buffs especially when you put it side by side with the Sherman, but what's your reasoning?
(also not sure why the centaur was brought up)
People complained crom was weak, so relic reduced fuel to 110. This is where relic messed up by not matching MG damage of new nerfed Cromwell with other mediums (also this overnerf issue also hit comet but obviously that unit has just been fixed).
With buffed MG I think Cromwell is worth 125f due to the great vet reload bonuses it gets. And with better AI it will unlock those faster.
Centaur was mentioned because someone else says it has no role. But obviously it will because people still build ostwinds when panzer4 exists.
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11 Oct 2019, 12:15 PM
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I actually think the way to go with the Cromwell is improving its AT: give it timed +penetration rounds or something.that is much as a argument as for the p4 (ostwind and stug)
If you improve its AI, it competes with the Centaur and the Churchill. What UKF really needs is a competent AT tank sitting between the AEC and the Firely.
Maybe move some of its speed buffs down vet, so it can disengage really easily?
it already has the best AT of all medium tanks (50% reload at vet 3, best pen profile with high pen at all ranges, commander give extra accuracy and sight)
i would prefer a little buff to the mg too, to kill stranglers when u hit them with the 75mm
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