Grens UP & G43s suck

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2019, 20:18 PMJibberJabberJobber

I'd increase cost to 60 muni and give like -10% RA bonus and -10% reinforcement cost. Would make them a bit more cost effective on their own, while making initial cost higher.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 09:28 AMoootto92

I'm happy to see a lot of great points made in this thread about how to make the g43s better. This one particularly made by derbyhat would in my mind fit the supposed role of g43s perfectly. I'm totally on the side of g43s getting their cost increased and getting a small buff if they remain at 2cp.

Another possible way to make them better without us seeing blobs of g43s that came to my mind would be to mirror the properties of other scoped axis weapons like JLI g43s and obers infra stgs: Just slightly boost the accuracy against units behind cover. Opponent would be punished for trying to engage in static warfare at medium range and would be forced to either advance to the short range or withdraw to gain more favourable engagement. This would finally make use of that dps on the move speciality as they could chase after the withdrawing units.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:07 AMthekingsown10

Additionally, Grenadiers should be able to build their own cover considering how lackluster they are.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:09 AMachpawel

+1 (and especially after the arrival of Brits)

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:07 AMthekingsown10

Additionally, Grenadiers should be able to build their own sandbags considering how much they rely on shooting from behind cover.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:11 AMoootto92

I think that none of the mainline infantry should be able to build sandbags/cover unless it's a commander feature. That should be left for pios and engineers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:11 AMoootto92

I think that none of the mainline infantry should be able to build sandbags/cover unless it's a commander feature. That should be left for pios and engineers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 10:07 AMthekingsown10

Additionally, Grenadiers should be able to build their own sandbags considering how much they rely on shooting from behind cover.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:02 AMKatitof

Tommies get penalties out of cover.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:04 AMachpawel

No (it's grens that have penalties all the time - no IS)

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:06 AMKatitof

Oh really?

Please then, feel free to list these penalties grens have. Which stats grens have reduced all the time? Because they are very solid squad, being the cheapest mainline in game right next to cons.

Because tommies have lower DPS and lower received accuracy out of cover.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:08 AMachpawel

IS get boosts when in cover - stop twisting facts.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:06 AMKatitof

Because they are very solid squad

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:08 AMachpawel

IS get boosts when in cover - stop twisting facts.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:13 AMKatitof

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Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:15 AMachpawel

Ther are not - they are most fragile mainline infantry - voulnerable to snipers,

indirect fire

unable to crew weapons as effectively as their countrparts

and with little perspective to scale as well into late game as other mainline infantry units.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:18 AMachpawel

It's just names for one thing - they get boosts in cover and are very potent out of it too. They can bolster without a doctrine, get lots of different weapons including at etc.

... and build sandbags.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2019, 11:23 AMthekingsown10

I thought it was hilarious when people were saying IS got penalities outside cover yet they still utterly wrecked axis infantry even without it. The bonus is just icing on the cake .