Easy USF fix

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 11:50 AMdistrofio

> USF Fanboys will spam this forums to death

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 12:09 PMblvckdream

The only way someone can think USF is balanced in this patch is if they are exclusively playing 3v3 and 4v4 everyone semi-decent in 1v1 and 2v2 knows balance is stupid at the moment. (UKF borderline useless now too, so not just USF issue)

• Riflemen are pretty meh, with the 200 MP Officer power spike making up the difference. This is what we had before, and USF play became about building as few Rifles as you could get away with.
  
• Riflemen are good, and the Officer power spike is toned down accordingly.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 12:09 PMblvckdream

Why would changing the starting resources slightly and making officers 80MP more expensive turn USF from OP to 37% win-rate? Are you out of your mind? The penetration changes from Jackson would only really impact Tigers and KTs.

The only way someone can think USF is balanced in this patch is if they are exclusively playing 3v3 and 4v4 everyone semi-decent in 1v1 and 2v2 knows balance is stupid at the moment. (UKF borderline useless now too, so not just USF issue)

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 12:27 PMSupport Sapper

With that change, if you go 2 rifle then the gap is too big for the 3rd infantry squad, if you go 3 rifle then you will have too many infantry later on.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 12:52 PMblvckdream

I don't see how that messes with timings. You just build 3 Riflemen instead of 2 before going for LT or CPT tech. Right now it's normal to get 2 RM then LT then while the LT is under construction you get one more RM.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 12:17 PMaerafield

Played tons of high level 2v2s since the patch, had 0 issues as OKW.

And sorry but I dont agree with these nerfs at all, you can ask the top tier 1v1 players and most of them say that the powerspike of free LT and especially the fast M20 is the biggest threat in 1v1 atm.... and not the riflemen.

As others previously mentioned there would be a lot options to nerf M20 without hammering it too hard.

- increase the build time a lot or
- increase manpower cost or
- add a munition cost to the unit as well (crew has a zook)

etc etc

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 12:54 PMKatitof

Tech revamp was made SPECIFICALLY to avoid forcing usf into 3 rifle builds and you want to reverse that?

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 11:50 AMdistrofio

> USF Fanboys will spam this forums to death

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 13:00 PMblvckdream

I don't understand this at all. OKW and UKF are forced into at least 3 Volks/Sections and no one has a problem with it either

So why does USF need to be the special snowflake faction again?? And now don't tell me because OKW can spam Kübels and Sturms and UKF can spam Vickers and UC. I am talking about useful build orders. And if a USF player really doesn't want to build Riflemen for whatever reason he can still get Assault Engineers, Pathfinders, IR Pathfinders, WC51, Cav Riflemen etc etc

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2019, 13:45 PMKatitof

When was last time you've played USF?
Its perfectly viable to fast tech after 2nd rifle now, allowing for support weapons use.



Because, contrarty to EVERY SINGLE OTHER FACTION IN THE WHOLE GAME, USF does not have ANY alternative to rifles out of the gate or within first minute.

Doctrinal options are not relevant to this.

In case you were in a coma for past 4 years, balance progressed in a way that doctrines are only supplements, not something you have to relay on for faction to be competitive or have diversity.