Poll: How are grens after the rifle buff?
27 Sep 2019, 23:39 PM
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Permanently BannedJust wondering if the gren vs rifle matchup has changed because the matchup was perfect before the patch.
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28 Sep 2019, 00:05 AM
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Grens are more than fine, they function perfectly now alongside pgrens and assgrens. Not sure why the poll exists.
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28 Sep 2019, 00:35 AM
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Grens are more than fine, they function perfectly now alongside pgrens and assgrens. Not sure why the poll exists.
Because rifles were buffed and grens and rifles were fine, volks were the offending unit yet they barely got changed. So it may be likely that rifles are too good vs grens.
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28 Sep 2019, 00:52 AM
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Because rifles were buffed and grens and rifles were fine, volks were the offending unit yet they barely got changed. So it may be likely that rifles are too good vs grens.
Volks were never the “offending unit”, which is why they only got a 10mp cost increase.
As for Grens, rifles got a close range dps buff, so absolutely nothing changed for grens since you’re never supposed to fight rifles up close with them.
Like I said, this thread is pointless.
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28 Sep 2019, 00:59 AM
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Only thing that changed is rifles win quicker up close, which is always been grens shortcoming and of you are using them as intended (with mg42 support) that close dps shouldn't make much difference.
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28 Sep 2019, 01:18 AM
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Grens are fine. They've got better support in the early game than rifles ever will, with MG42s, snipers, and an engineer unit that can beat rifles if they ambush, and they don't get blown up as easily in the lategame now either.
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28 Sep 2019, 01:23 AM
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Keep the distance more than 10 range from rifle and gren will be perfectly fine.
28 Sep 2019, 09:06 AM
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Grens as they they curently are perfect. Only thing with grens is IMO their G43 upgrade being "meh" besides moving accuracy which promotes blobbing and mobile wiping. (Which is not healthy IMO)
Grens are finally good.
28 Sep 2019, 11:35 AM
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Volks were never the “offending unit”, which is why they only got a 10mp cost increase.
As for Grens, rifles got a close range dps buff, so absolutely nothing changed for grens since you’re never supposed to fight rifles up close with them.
Like I said, this thread is pointless.
Imo stg volks screwed up the inf balance big time.
Stg volks single handedly forced the penal change and other main lines that powercreped up. Leaving grens to bite the dust. Volks became grenadiers wet dream for a 15 mp increase.
Out of all the main line for 250mp/25 now 260mp 25 volls have sandbags, non droppable ai upgrade for all ranges and faust with first truck, better molotov, salvage to deney wiped team weapon and tanks, self heal with vet.
While having the strongest engineer, a backkapping scout car, a atgun in the same t0. Also have an mg in that tier after 1st tech. Also having true elite inf non doc wich come earlier now, and a non doc super heavy.
So why in hell do volks need to be so cost effevtive self reliant and durable with all that in their faction?
All other main line have real trade offs on the selfs or in the faction.
28 Sep 2019, 11:53 AM
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So why in hell do volks need to be so cost effevtive self reliant and durable with all that in their faction?
All other main line have real trade offs on the selfs or in the faction.
Because they straight up lose to Riflemen, Infantry Sections and Penals and are about equal to 7 man Conscripts. Plus they don't have great support weapons to surround them with.
28 Sep 2019, 11:54 AM
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Regarding the opening poll. Grens are fine against Soviets and UKF, it's just USF that overperforms in general. There will be nerfs to USF soon because the big 1v1 tourney is near so let's just see how things are after the next patches.
28 Sep 2019, 11:59 AM
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Regarding the opening poll. Grens are fine against Soviets and UKF, it's just USF that overperforms in general. There will be nerfs to USF soon because the big 1v1 tourney is near so let's just see how things are after the next patches.
You do realize that even with that rifle buff, rifle-gren dynamics are completely unchanged? Grens still lose at all distances, as they are meant to.
You have most powerful support units and sniper for a reason there.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Sep 2019, 12:03 PM
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You do realize that even with that rifle buff, rifle-gren dynamics are completely unchanged? Grens still lose at all distances, as they are meant to.
You have most powerful support units and sniper for a reason there.
How does this relate to what I just wrote
28 Sep 2019, 12:06 PM
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How does this relate to what I just wrote
It means that regardless of rifle or gren state, grens are supposed to lose at all distances and they do, rifle buff didn't changed anything here.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Sep 2019, 12:15 PM
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Permanently BannedWhat about rifles vs agren matchup?
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28 Sep 2019, 12:21 PM
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Imo stg volks screwed up the inf balance big time.
Stg volks single handedly forced the penal change and other main lines that powercreped up. ...
To be accurate Penal change and VG changes happened at the same patch.
And actually penal was so broken at the time (and remained broken for 6 months) that no none paid enough attention to VGs.
But I do agree that VGs and Penal created a powercreep that lead to the majority of infantry being buffed.
28 Sep 2019, 13:11 PM
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Because they straight up lose to Riflemen, Infantry Sections and Penals and are about equal to 7 man Conscripts. Plus they don't have great support weapons to surround them with.
so non doc super heavy, non doc elite inf, strongest engineerr, self heal, hard forward healing and retreat dont count? The mg34 is still better then a maxim btw.
Just because they loose or break even to more expensive counterparts, is no reason to have them this cost effective and able to tackle what they do currently. Esp with the above mentioned of the faction as a whole.
28 Sep 2019, 13:14 PM
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Yea it’s not like other faction get any perks .... no tank crew 6 mean support, major , etc are not faction perks
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28 Sep 2019, 13:14 PM
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To be accurate Penal change and VG changes happened at the same patch.
And actually penal was so broken at the time (and remained broken for 6 months) that no none paid enough attention to VGs.
But I do agree that VGs and Penal created a powercreep that lead to the majority of infantry being buffed.
I thought the volks change happend before the penals. The maxim nerf in its golden days revaeled maxims kept stg volks in check.
But i could be wrong about the time when penals got changed.
28 Sep 2019, 13:49 PM
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I thought the volks change happend before the penals. The maxim nerf in its golden days revaeled maxims kept stg volks in check.
But i could be wrong about the time when penals got changed.
Both change happened:
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