Panzerfusiliers Need Adjustments

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2019, 23:51 PMBlueKnight

I don't understand this "midgame weakness" of OKW, they have P2 and Puma which are excellent vehicles and also rocket arty in the same building which is good vs teamweapons like maxim. STGs being relatively cheap upgrade with good moving DPS and good midrange damage also gives OKW a boost in the midgame. ...or are we talking about early lategame here? Can you specify the mode and timeframe?

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2019, 23:51 PMBlueKnight

Any mistake against OKW and you are screwed too. This works both ways. They can turn your teamweapons into their fuel in seconds if you mess up or get flanked by Sturms. Game punishes bad plays and rewards good ones, just as it should be.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 00:23 AMJilet

Puma is not the old Puma and will only be used to counter LVs yet Stuart can fight it effectively with the blinding shot.
P2 is mehish compared to T-70, AEC and Stuart which all counter it.
Rocket arty is absurd in teamgames with blobs but a suicide in 1v1 (to rush it I mean)

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 00:23 AMJilet

Bleeding them and forcing them to go home is quite easy tho. Sturms are thrash in maps like steppes, crossing etc. I agree they perform superb in cqc maps like bilasytok (???) market but on open maps they are just meat for rifles and IS.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2019, 23:35 PMSkysTheLimit

Why do you repeatedly take what other people say, and then hold different people who didn't say it accountable for those other people's comments? Totally ridiculous

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 11:30 AMKatitof

See guys? There you have it - you know there is nothing wrong with axis unit, when even vipper doesn't have anything to complain about.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 11:30 AMKatitof

PFs aren't overpriced, volks were underpriced and that's about to change.
To have access to what PFs start with and aren't limited by anything but a muni cost, other factions have to pay menpower and fuel to unlock side techs, that cost is simply rolled in PFs initial cost.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 11:48 AMVipper

I guess good things do not last and the time you did not quote me or did not made personal comments about me, has not lasted.

PF are overpriced, with out upgrade the inferior to all infantry in their price range and with g43 they are more expensive to tech, built and upgrade than penals, yet they are not better.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 12:05 PMKatitof

Well, there is only so much stupid you can spit before I react, sorry.



Nope, they aren't, you're forgetting the fact that they start right off the bat with nades, faust, flares.
Nades and fausts usually require upgrades or tech, PFs have that out of the gate ready for use.
That additional utility rises their cost and that utility is specifically why you'd want them early, faust specifically.

If you think they perform too bad right out of the gate, don't get them before you have 90 muni for upgrade, they'll still arrive much earlier then they would at 2CP.

Its not UKF, you don't have to pick one and stick to it, you can mix them with other powerful starting stock infantry OKW has.

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from getting 2 volks and 3 PFs instead of spamming one or other up to 5.

There are also spios who will easily carry them to the point where they can be upgraded.
No rocket science here.

They can't be cheaper with all the utility they have for free out of the gate.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:05 PMStug life

doc units generally comes with nades already unlocked even the cp 0 ones

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:05 PMStug life

doc units generally comes with nades already unlocked even the cp 0 ones

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:24 PMKatitof

Doc units usually don't have fausts/AT nades, especially at CP0, presence of that alone can completely shut certain openings which usually are very effective vs OKW in early game.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:22 PMSkysTheLimit

"Generally" none of the Cp0 units have both snares AND nades, ensuring they can effectively replace mainline infantry

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:39 PMStug life

well some units have something else, like sprint and nades for ass gren

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:45 PMSkysTheLimit

Which leaves then open to getting spanked by any vehicle in the game. Same goes for Pathfinders, ass engies, etc.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:52 PMStug life

so u are saying having at nades means costing 30 more mp from base ?

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 14:59 PMSkysTheLimit

I need to repeat this again for you?

AT nades is 1 reason. Scaling is another, as I said to you multiple times yesterday

Remember when you tried comparing fusilier upgrade to 7 man cons? You decided to point out 50 muni is less than 90 while just pretending it wasnt locked behind t4 (live)/t3 with 300mp and 45 fuel in sidetechs (in preview)?

Scaling. Not just AT nades...