Most people seem to agree Airborne is one of the best if not the best USF doctrine (I prefer Heavy Cavalry then Mechanized myself). I want to like this doctrine and it seems really good but it just sucks you have to wait until CP3 to get Paratroopers by which time you probably have an officer and at least two Riflemen sqauds plus maybe a Pathfiner sqaud or two. There just doesn't seem to be room to actually use the Paratroopers unless your stuff is just getting wiped left and right.
Soviet Shock Troopers are available at CP2 and cost the same as Paratroopers so why couldn't USF Paratroopers be available at CP2 as well (is it because they parachute in?)? Just my opinion.
I really wish USF Paratroopers were at CP2
24 Aug 2019, 03:14 AM
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24 Aug 2019, 09:02 AM
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I do think CP2 is more appropriate for paratroopers especially given the comparison to shock troops(or guards) as you pointed out.
24 Aug 2019, 09:18 AM
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U said, it’s cause they drop
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24 Aug 2019, 09:28 AM
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U said, it’s cause they drop
Way to shoot yourself in the dick.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Aug 2019, 09:30 AM
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falls and para are very different especially then number of men *gouhg* andfallsarestillajoke *gough*
Way to shoot yourself in the dick.
katitof-2018
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24 Aug 2019, 09:33 AM
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falls and para are very different especially then number of men *gouhg* andfallsarestillajoke *gough*
Its irrelevant for the argument you've used.
Paras also require much greater investment because their upgrades actually have a cost.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Aug 2019, 09:47 AM
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and so do falls ? i mean the 2 other fg csot muni right ?
Its irrelevant for the argument you've used.
Paras also require much greater investment because their upgrades actually have a cost.
katitof-2018
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24 Aug 2019, 09:52 AM
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and so do falls ? i mean the 2 other fg csot muni right ?
Haven't checked latest mod version, so I'm uncertain if cost is considered as "requirement", won't be able to check before tomorrow/late tonight. If that 2nd set still does have cost, well, there still is considerable cost difference between the two.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Aug 2019, 09:54 AM
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yes ? i mean 2 lmg are better than 2 fg, especially considering they get an ability too
Haven't checked latest mod version, so I'm uncertain if cost is considered as "requirement", won't be able to check before tomorrow/late tonight. If that 2nd set still does have cost, well, there still is considerable cost difference between the two.
katitof-2018
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24 Aug 2019, 09:59 AM
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4x Thompsons or 2x M1919 with 6 models is not something I would put in CP2. They'd need to have their weapon upgrade gated behind some tech (probably Weapon Racks) to compensate, but then that would destroy one of their big advantages (that together with Pathfinders you can go for a Weapon Racks-less build and rush for something else like tanks). Ergo, not much can be done about their timing imo. At least in team games, I don't find it too hard to fit them into an adjusted build order anyway.
24 Aug 2019, 10:06 AM
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4x Thompsons or 2x M1919 with 6 models is not something I would put in CP2. They'd need to have their weapon upgrade gated behind some tech (probably weapon racks) to compensate, but then that would destroy one of their big advantages (that together with Pathfinders you can go for a Weapon Racks-less build and rush for something else like tanks). Ergo, not much can be done about their timing imo. At least in team games, I don't find it too hard to fit them into an adjusted build order anyway.
What if you kept their weapon upgrades and bundle nades gated behind CP3?
If you made some changes to their airdrop, you might even get away with CP1 timing if they don't have the upgrades.
24 Aug 2019, 10:20 AM
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lock it after tech ?
katitof-2018
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24 Aug 2019, 10:28 AM
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lock it after tech ?
As Sander said, there aren't many great places. Lock it behind racks and you kill one of Airborne's main uses. Lock it behind one officer and it's too early, lock it behind Major and it's so late you'll probably end up putting BARs on them.
Therefore I suggested locking it behind CPs instead.
24 Aug 2019, 10:30 AM
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lock it behind LV or second officer upgrade ?
As Sander said, there aren't many great places. Lock it behind racks and you kill one of Airborne's main uses. Lock it behind one officer and it's too early, lock it behind Major and it's so late you'll probably end up putting BARs on them.
Therefore I suggested locking it behind CPs instead.
katitof-2018
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24 Aug 2019, 10:35 AM
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lock it behind LV or second officer upgrade ?
You can easily get the Officer secondary unlock around 1 CP, at least in team games. So no.
24 Aug 2019, 10:36 AM
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They could be 5 men squad up to 6 once reach vet2
24 Aug 2019, 11:06 AM
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They could be 5 men squad up to 6 once reach vet2
That means there is little reason to get them over rifles early and even less of a reason to get them later then rifles are already vetted.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Aug 2019, 12:18 PM
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Dunno, their weapons are still better. But yeah you're probably right for the late game.
25 Aug 2019, 07:11 AM
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Bro they are rally powerful at their later timing, you want to make them come even EARLIER?
No thanks.
No thanks.
Most of my ideas are probably bad, - but I try and share lots of them
and maybe some of them will be good an improve the game
One can hope
and maybe some of them will be good an improve the game
One can hope
26 Aug 2019, 00:37 AM
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No timing change needed, in my opinion. Late game infantry is a dying breed, and I would rather not have the roster homogenized further. The upcoming RA change is appreciated, though!
I say this as a USF Airborne main, but I try to be impartial.
I say this as a USF Airborne main, but I try to be impartial.
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