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and the other has much better armor and better moving accuracy
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is that why people cry so much for the p4 having 20 more armor than other tanks ?
The armor difference doesn't matter a whole lot at that level. Most AT still has 100% chance to penetrate. The ability to flat out escape is better
Im not sure it needs even a slight nerf. But stop dismissing threads you don't like
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is that why people cry so much for the p4 having 20 more armor than other tanks ?
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i saw people (not gonna name them here but u know them) saying the t 34 76 is less durable than other tank by a lot as it has 10-30 less armor than other medium
Pretty sure they're usually talking about okw p4/vet 2 ost. Never seen someone complain about vanilla p4 armor, but this is also irrelevant to the thread
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btw back on topic, the 50 more armor of the centaur will allow it to survive a medium tank much more easily as it will have the same armor as a Sherman (and before u say ostwind can outrun other tanks, it's slower than all other medium tanks)
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My Luchs was destroyed by a Centaur. How can this be? I demand it be nerfed, it has too much health for a Luchs to kill.
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well, that's the point anything above p4 is either a td or heavy tank, im quite sure anything above cromwell and sherman pen 160-180 armor
The speed is helpful for escaping range of any unit, including mediums. You don't need to outrun the tank, it's not Nascar. You just need to get back close enough to your own units to scare medium away
The p4 has about a 2/3 chance of penetrating it, everything above that is still guaranteed
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and again my point still stand, ostwind loses armor for speed
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Hey guys,
Hoping to discuss the new and improved ostwind since the last patch.
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The stuart is a good AT platform so I build one to match up against the ostwind.
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I know RNG is a factor and this is a sample size of 1 but
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is the ostwind over-performing vs armor/AT platforms.
Yours truly,
Your favorite USF main
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Nobody was disputing that. The point is ill take speed that can help against all units, over armor that gives me less than a 1/3 chance of deflecting a medium and nothing against AT guns, stug, etc
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is this why everyone said cromwell was UP and needed more buffs and p4 was too strong
Nobody was disputing that. The point is ill take speed that can help against all units, over armor that gives me less than a 1/3 chance of deflecting a medium and nothing against AT guns, stug, etc
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is this why everyone said cromwell was UP and needed more buffs and p4 was too strong
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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my point is that armor matters as much as speed, especially after 2 YEARS of listening to people saying p4 is ultra strong vs other medium tanks and % of pen and deflection thrown left and right, and when i use the same argument but on the other side of the fence it is now irrelevant ? Ans speed matter much more ?
Do you want to make some point, or just badly wanted to make a post in this thread but didn't knew what to type?
Because ostwinds aren't exactly meant to fight centaurs.
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so i will ask again why would one say centaur is ok but ostwind is op ?
vs at infantry armor matter even more
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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well no, u can't only count pen when using at weapons, the zook and piat may have less pen but the reload is better and accuracy too, centaur has less target size than oswtind alredy btw
Chasing.
vs AT infantry, centaur armor is 100% irrelevant, because axis AT infantry has 100% pen chance.
Ostwind can bounce only PTRS.
Considering the two in context of AT infantry, armor is as non factor as it can humanely be, because handheld AT will not struggle to pen eiter and ATGs will 100% pen both, therefore one with better mobility has clear advantage.
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to put it simply centaur will have the same durability as medium tank vs AT inf weapons, the ostwind will not
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it's u who responded to me first tho, i was not adressing u
Which is meaningless, the shreck will still pen it 100%
Can you stop saying "well other ppl are saying this"? Who cares? Have your own fucking opinion and stop whining to me about what other people say
btw here is the title of the thread "Ostwind Overbuffed?" better remove those ham slices from ur eyes
"Everyone already knows they're the same when standing still. As Shadow said one of them is much faster than the other, so it's easier to handle
Can you also try not to accuse everyone you disagree with of crying for nerfs? All I see is someone starting a discussion"
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