OKW September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:43 AMStug life

He said they have worse scaling, that’s undeniably true look at vet and upgrades

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:10 PMDangerous-Cloth

Schwere Panzer Autorization having to be rebought when it goes down, is quite frankly a mistake. One of the main reasons people went for Command Panther instead of rebuilding a schwere, was because of the cost involved and then having to purchase and build a tank again.

This of course can't be done anymore, so you guys took away the symptom, whilst adding to the cause. You now HAVE to rebuild your schwere, which is fine if you ask me, but also have to do another upgrade AGAIN which consumes more time and again the full resources like before. You are basically getting mandhandled and slapped across the face and buttcheek with this one. Why even place your schwere aggressively anymore? Might as well plant it in base now, even cuttof is too dangerous now.

I mean, what is the reasoning for this lol?

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:39 AMgbem

not when you factor in recieved accuracy... grenadiers have far superior RA to conscripts... and so long as they arent used offensively... get far less bleed than conscripts... of course they sacrifice this when on the offensive but grenadiers are intended to be a defensive tool to the more offensive oriented conscript...

likewise in grenadier vs conscript duel the conscript is actually more likely to bleed models than the grenadiers... simply due to the higher RA... even if the conscript does eventually put itself in an advantageous position... say i oorah into medium/close range into cover... the conscript is still more likely to bleed models than the gren by virtue of RA and DPS on the part of the grenadier squad... even if the conscript does put itself on an winning engagement...

the only real point where those numbers start to become irrelevant is the lategame where tanks and artillery overtake small arms fire... in that case grenadiers do start to bleed quite alot... but thats the price paid for the lower earlygame bleed of grens





volks have vet and upgrades aswell... conscripts may get better vet... but lets not forget that soviet conscript builds struggle against volks.... to the point that almost no tournament player even opts to use them against volks...

why you ask?

because theyre simply not competitive

ohh mind you the volk STG actually improves DPS at all ranges... its a no brainer upgrade without any compromise whatsoever...



LMG42 grens have to be static in order to deal damage... this leaves you open to alot of different strategies in order to deal with this... its the sole reason why G43 grens are popular in high level games bc the G43 fires on the move allowing continuous DPS despite the strategy in use...

for example if i see an LMG grenblob i immediately find an SU-76 a katy a churchill a KV-8 or any other AOE damage tool to punish the static grens or force them to keep moving in order to nullify their DPS... volks will have increased DPS in all situations...



conscripts and grens disagree... in fact conscripts and grens are soo bad compared to the current volks that claiming "260mp/26 reinforce makes them bad" is a biased sentiment