Soviet September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 13:20 PMthedarkarmadillo

Because that isn't the only fix. It would simply make the deathloop even deadlier. Unfortunately the 6 men have to be accounted for when balancing the unit because removal would be detrimental because of the death loop.

Unless you can bolster durability in another way like damage modifiers or perhaps to think outside the box with something like increased range (longe range means further from the fight means enemy has to walk further under fire to frontally assault the maxim means they might actually eat dirt before being in grenade range) but imo the best way to make it less attractive to spam would be improving it, increasing damage AND build time, while also making cons more attractive so that they an fill in the holes that slow maxim production brimgs

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 13:30 PMMaret

What if we also increase cost to 300MP? But make normal arc like vickers and mg-42 have? Increased cost, increased time to build, tweake stats to make it worth to build.
Spammable only cheap units. If your unit expensive, but workable, it didn't able to spam. Better have 1 HMG that works, that have cheap HMG that don't work at all.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:18 PMgbem

doesnt make it any more difficult to wipe... how about playing as sov T2 soo you can see how people pull off maxim wipes on you soo u can understand how easy it is to wipe a maxim?

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:18 PMgbem

would it be possible to make the maxim gunner untargettable during retreat until its brought down to 1 man? that would most certainly fix the deathloop

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:18 PMgbem

with far superior RA and higher DPS unless in cover

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:18 PMgbem

penals need to be reworked

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:18 PMgbem

HAHA NO

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 13:20 PMthedarkarmadillo

Because that isn't the only fix. It would simply make the deathloop even deadlier. Unfortunately the 6 men have to be accounted for when balancing the unit because removal would be detrimental because of the death loop.

Unless you can bolster durability in another way like damage modifiers or perhaps to think outside the box with something like increased range (longe range means further from the fight means enemy has to walk further under fire to frontally assault the maxim means they might actually eat dirt before being in grenade range) but imo the best way to make it less attractive to spam would be improving it, increasing damage AND build time, while also making cons more attractive so that they an fill in the holes that slow maxim production brimgs

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 15:53 PMBalanced_Gamer

Maybe improving range and damage instead may be an interesting different route. Might reduce the possibility of spamming if it were too efficient its suppression.


The suppression should not be that overwhelming for a crew that strong.

If we talk about the USF 50cal, it is perfectly designed as it should because it is 4 man and its features that make it good and balanced.

It would not make sense for Maxim to have suppression nearly as good if it has 6 man because that would too powerful of course.

It should instead maybe get improvements on damage and range only. Just to make it more lethal than as it now stands. Definitely would improve the unit.

That would be a good change.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 16:29 PMthedarkarmadillo

The way I see it is the 6 man crew is a bonus of the Soviet, they an pay for it if they need to via higher no cost getting the unit, but the uniy shouldnt REQUIRE a 6 man crew to function. It doesn't have to be cost effecient but it HAS to work because Supression is a core mechanic in the game and it's vital in stopping blobs and holding.

Jump back to quoted post14 Aug 2019, 23:11 PMgbem

The deathloop alone makes it have 4 man survivability.... even when it was the best MG ingame it was never more survivable than 4 man mgs thanks to the deathloop

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:47 PMRoastinGhost

In light of the Rear Echelon change, I think the Combat Engineers deserve the same treatment.

Their Mosins deal 16 damage with low accuracy. The damage should be lowered to 12, like Conscripts, and accuracy raised to something more reasonable. Their weapon isn't as insanely inaccurate as RE carbines, but it would be nice for consistency at least.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:59 PMinsaneHoshi

Implying that the death loop makes its equivalent in availability to 4 man team is false. Death loop only applies when it retreats and not to things like artillery.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 13:30 PMMaret

What if we also increase cost to 300MP? But make normal arc like vickers and mg-42 have? Increased cost, increased time to build, tweake stats to make it worth to build.
Spammable only cheap units. If your unit expensive, but workable, it didn't able to spam. Better have 1 HMG that works, that have cheap HMG that don't work at all.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:07 PMMr Carmine

All it takes is one grenade, one mortar, one shot from a tank that does enough hp damage to start the deathloop. Retreat or not.
You think just moving it normaly under fire makes it so that the deathloop doesnt happen?

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 19:27 PMinsaneHoshi

And the above can as likely wipe the 4 man squad. Loosing 3 men on a MG42 and forcing a retreat is a worse situation than losing 3 men with a maxim and forcing a retreat. If a model dies on the retreating maxim, it might get stuck in the deathloop and the unit may die. If a model dies on the retreating MG42, the unit will die.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:10 PMCrecer13

a very bad idea, increasing Maxim to 300mp will make T2 completely unplayable.

Jump back to quoted post14 Aug 2019, 23:24 PMJilet

Falls. would have a word with you.