Wehrmacht September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 15:43 PMJibberJabberJobber

If CP4 becomes 110 fuel with no CP requirement and the weaker aura, the Command Panzer 4 would be a tempting offer over the Ostwind. Currently it's often not an option at all because it comes so late at 9 CP, when there are already multiple tanks on the field. The 7 CP in the preview also seems too late if you want it as first tank.

Versus Ostwind you would trade some AI for much better scaling, considering you get:

- Much better armor. Ostwind has 110 armor, while CP4 has 180/234 armor.
- Better AT than the Ostwind, especially on the move. E.g. CP4 can duel a Valentine, Ostwind can't.
- Damage reduction (Good to protect infantry against indirect and to save vehicles)
- Better AI than a P4 without pintle, comparable AI to a P4 with pintle (depends on situation).

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 15:43 PMJibberJabberJobber

If CP4 becomes 110 fuel with no CP requirement and the weaker aura, the Command Panzer 4 would be a tempting offer over the Ostwind. Currently it's often not an option at all because it comes so late at 9 CP, when there are already multiple tanks on the field. The 7 CP in the preview also seems too late if you want it as first tank.

Versus Ostwind you would trade some AI for much better scaling, considering you get:

- Much better armor. Ostwind has 110 armor, while CP4 has 180/234 armor.
- Better AT than the Ostwind, especially on the move. E.g. CP4 can duel a Valentine, Ostwind can't.
- Damage reduction (Good to protect infantry against indirect and to save vehicles)
- Better AI than a P4 without pintle, comparable AI to a P4 with pintle (depends on situation).

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 16:32 PMLago

I've always found its AI performance utterly lackluster, but I freely admit I've never done a stat comparison on it.

If it really is as serviceable as you suggest, then I think you're probably right on dropping the CP requirement being enough.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 20:11 PMthedarkarmadillo

I'd have the cp4 follow suit of other command units. Make the unit good on its own, and give it active abilities that scale with the player instead of passive abilities that make the best or worst player harder to kill

Wehrmacht

Grenadiers - Experimental Change
We think Grenadiers are in a good spot in terms of their combat performance, but with only 4 models, they get wiped too easily once heavy indirect fire and big guns start roaming the battlefield. We’d like to trial a change that replaces their veterancy 3 Received Accuracy with a Damage Reduction modifier. This should help Grenadiers survive explosions damage in the late game, without really having an impact on their durability versus small arms fire.
- Veterancy 3 -23% Received Accuracy replaced by -20% damage reduction

Wehrmacht Tech
Ostheer tech is more manpower demanding than other factions. The following two changes are designed to alleviate this slightly, and allow Ostheer to field key units slightly faster, particularly in the early game.

Leichte Mechanized Kompanie
- Manpower cost from 200 to 150

Battle Phase 2
- Manpower cost from 200 to 150

Command Panzer IV
- Fuel cost from 120 to 100

Sdf.kfz 251
- Veterancy 1 Infantry Awareness replaced by Schu Mine. Allows the Half-track to plant a Schu Mine for 30 munitions. 10 second plant time.
- Healing rate from 0.25 to 0.4

Sdf.kfz 250 Mortar Halftrack
- Incendiary Barrage now matches those fired by the LeIG. Fires 4 rounds over the target area.
- Incendiary Barrage cost from 45 to 35.

Panzer VI Tiger
- Far AOE damage from 0.1 to 1.75
- Mid AOE distance from 1 to 1.5

Osttruppen Supply Drop
- CP requirement from 4 to 3

Jaeger Command Squad
- CP requirement from 3 to 2

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 19:31 PMStug life

even if u reduce the price it does not change the fact that CP4 is now useless for stug and puma
, especially the puma as it's literally the point of mobile defense doc


just make the aura for the user only and bring it back to 20 % (no more cheese in team game, still ok for 1 vs 1)

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 20:06 PMHon3ynuts

100 fuel on CP4 is probably good for performance. Does this mean Popcap goes down to 10 like 100 fuel ostwind and 90 fuel stug or will that stay at 12?

If you have .8 damage on vet 3 grens maybe this unit is okay at .9 I would not want to go through .8 * .8 gren hp to kill them. But I do think that it would be most appropriate to only affect owned units.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 20:24 PMFarlion

Perhaps instead it could be given the same hulldown that the 250 has? That would give it an incentive to be used in a forward position.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 20:12 PMStug life

it could work with 0.8 for vehcile and 0.9 for inf if only for own units , but again there are other thing beside green u know that right ?

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 20:28 PMSander93

Remember that any vet 1 ability needs to serve a purpose for both the standard 251 and also the upgraded Flamer 251. A hulldown ability wouldn't make much sense for the flamer upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2019, 19:25 PMLago

Those changes look good, but I'd personally suggest putting the entire manpower cut in Light Mechanized Company. That'd go a long way towards balancing the T2 skip the PGren changes made viable.