September Balance Patch preview [SPBP] - general discussion

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 15:34 PMdistrofio

Sander stop spreading misinformation. SwererHQ is not a free area denial tool. It has costs, for the sws and the upgrade. Those costs included the actual flak gun. 120 Fu to enable mediums and heavy tanks is too pricey compared to any other faction

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 17:05 PMShadowLinkX37

Furthermore, if you don't like the tied to base idea panzer authorization should not need to be repurchased as dangerous cloth has suggested. If USF or UKF lose their tech structure they can repair the entire thing for free, makes no sense for OKW to have to pay 135F just to build tanks again.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 20:16 PMEsxile

It takes 5 minutes to rebuild an USF tier.

So if it takes 5 full minutes to repair your schwerer where it stand and having it funcional only when you complete 100%, any damage taken enlarge the repair time, why not.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 20:26 PMShadowLinkX37

Are you actually trying to justify a FREE repair vs a 135F repair?????

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 18:39 PMMazianni

And now they'll beat them a little bit more consistently. Glad we're on the same boat.

And God in heaven does it not sweeten the sting of having the late-game non-doc indirect fire nerfed from existence.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 20:50 PMAlphrum

by that logic we should buff volks long range dps, so they beat riflemen in long range more consistently. Ther was no plausible evidence that riflemen needed any buffs, they were the best balanced performing mainline inf in the game.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 16:06 PMLoopDloop

Lol major, brit company command, soviet t3 and t4, ostheer t3 (none of which even get heavy tanks).
Why don't we just give okw t0 tiger that costs 1 manpower? Would that finally make you happy?

And schwerer is a free area denial tool just as much as lieutenant, captain, and major are free squads.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 20:44 PMEsxile

No, I'm telling you that if you want a FREE repair, that's what you'll get.

- Repair where it stand and not rebuild wherever you want.
- 5 minutes to fully repair (but it can be reduce if you assign various squads)
- Any damage taken during the repair is to be repaired before being able to reuse the building.

If it's what you want, why not. Only thing I can tell you is as USF or UKF, losing a building and having to repair it is equal to losing the game.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 20:03 PMKatitof

Fuel and mp cost for OKW teching is in line with any other faction.
Flak doesn't require any additional investment to activate it, doesn't eat pop cap, doesn't have upkeep.
Its more free then USF officers.

Its attached to something that has its own cost, but that somethings cost, again, is in line with equivalents of all other factions that do not grant anything free that directly impacts on field presence depending on where you put it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 21:18 PMinsaneHoshi

This is pritty dumb logic. Apart from that this 5 minutes to repair is BS, fuel is just a function of time anyways, so spending 300 MP and 135 fuel on OKW is spending time. What is better waiting 5 minuets to get 135 fuel to build t3 or spending 5 minutes repairing and using that 135 fuel to get a tank?

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 21:51 PMEsxile

You tell me, 135 fuel to build where you want vs 5 minutes of repair possibly under fire at the same location your truck is. Also let me know how you do that if the territory is occupy by your opponent.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 22:59 PMWiderstreit

What would you say, if base-buildings of all fraction can't be destroyed, simply damaged, so that they can't order units?

e.g. OKW-base will become a frak, you can repair it or destroy it by your own (like PaK 88) if you wan't to rebuild it.

Same can be made with Soviets and Ostheers base, so all fraction become same chance like Brits and US have.


e.g. OKW also got the funktion you can't refresh if you arn't in connected area, so that also fits.

Jump back to quoted post16 Aug 2019, 08:03 AMKatitof

Then you have less then zero risk for OKW aggressively and recklessly putting trucks forward as punishment no longer exists.

Or, we could not try to fix something that isn't broken and first time in 5 years have OKW players consider an actual risk to how they put trucks out.

Jump back to quoted post16 Aug 2019, 09:35 AMWiderstreit

You can't use them, rep. them at the frontline is more risk than reset. You need the base, you only get the chance so survive some situations. Like UK and US have.

Try it out, then decide.

Jump back to quoted post16 Aug 2019, 09:35 AMWiderstreit

You can't use them, rep. them at the frontline is more risk than reset. You need the base, you only get the chance so survive some situations. Like UK and US have.

Try it out, then decide.

Jump back to quoted post16 Aug 2019, 20:00 PMKatitof

"potentially not losing any resources or temporarily losing access to production is less risky then certainly losing resources and having to pay again to resume production"

Where the fuck is logic in that?
I can see plenty of entitlement and denial tho.

Jump back to quoted post16 Aug 2019, 21:44 PMLoopDloop

1) If you're getting your base buildings completely blown up constantly as USF then you have bigger problems than balance (namely your own skill level).

2) USF bases don't pin infantry and pen tanks and can't be placed wherever the hell one likes.

You have to balance the free, effective area denial capabilities of the schwerer with the risk of it getting attacked and destroyed, which isn't even that hard of a thing to deal with on 1v1 maps since cutoffs/important points are oftentimes extremely close to your base anyway (langreskaya, lost glider). If you're that worried about your schwerer getting dumpstered build it in the corner of your base, and you're still on exactly even footing with every other faction that doesn't literally get a giant gun on top of their tech buildings (except maybe USF free officers but they have an asston of sidetechs and more MP bleed anyway).