What do people think of Conscripts after the patch?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 16:49 PMStug life

i alredy said them, if u actually read post , nerf penal nerf t 70, buff close and mid range dps for cons, make the maxim suppress but make it longer set up time

if there is really a need make the 7th man upgrade to tier 3 but with a side tech or not if the t 70 is nerfed right

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 16:59 PMgbem

yes indeed you do have a deficit in your cognitive capacity... as ive said before... TOURNEYS AND HIGH LEVELS DONT MATTER SINCE EVERYONE ABUSES DOCTRINAL INFANTRY AND PENALS...


ok let me simplify this for you
3 "eras" of soviet meta
1st era = maxim era = high soviet winrate
maxim gets nerfed to the ground
cos unchanged
2nd era = no core infantry era = rock bottom winrate
penals get buffed to compensate
cos unchanged
3rd era = penal and doctrinal infantry era = decent winrate

in this second era one can see that the soviets didnt have penals or viable doctrinal infantry to back them up... and soo they FELL LIKE A ROCK... now the only thing propping up the soviet winrate are PENALS and DOCTRINAL INFANTRY... which highlights how weak core soviet infantry is...


it is still THE BEST MG qualitatively ingame and the most COST EFFICIENT MG ingame aswell

yes they do have similar MTTK.. against SPREAD OUT UNITS... the ostwind is considerably more powerful against bunched up infantry in yellow cover (i tested it in cheatmod aswell)


if you nerf the T-70 then nerf the MG42 ostwind and flametruck so that theyre no longer god tier units... or is axis the only side thats supposed to get viable god tier units?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:15 PMMaret

About penals i totally agree - they one of reasons why cons and maxim still underdogs, because you can play only penals and faction don't looks broken.
IF you want else nerf t-70 it means cons + maxim must become very sufficient unit to be on par with grens with lmg+mg-42.
And after all these changes, when penals will be nerfed and t-70 will be nerfed, we also must avoid situation where we will get dead t1 and dead t3.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:19 PMStug life

tier 1 would still have sniper and clown car, and penal would still work with the ptrs
tier 3 still have other unit that are over shadowed by the t 70 like the AA half truck or the su 76, why build aa if t 70 is better in all department ?
why build su 76 if t 70 can still deal with other LV ?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 14:26 PMKatitof

Actually, current penals are result of soviets not having anything reliable at long range and cons being completely impotent without any kind of offensive upgrade.

Late game upgrade doesn't do anything for early game, therefore its still not viable to use them in early as mainline, so you get them exclusively if you go for ppsh or svt.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:16 PMStug life

1 u forgot that cons did get buffed

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:16 PMStug life

2 it's high to mid lvl no tournament only, while the win rate u are referring to is mostly unranked where they are super bad

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:16 PMStug life

3 the best and most cos efficient mg is still the cal 50

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:16 PMStug life

4 what u said doesn't make sense for the ostwind as they made it so it can only it 2 model at time at most so bunching them up changes nothing, and actually cover is more beneficial for the centaur as it ignores it and goes for accuracy only (unlike real projectile that can hit the cover)

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 17:16 PMStug life

5are u buffing green and sniper or other units to compensate like soviet ? or are u simply asking for a staight nerf ?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:16 PMthedarkarmadillo

A ways back I had put up the idea to rework cons so that they come bare bones and have global upgrades (like they do now, but actually priced with that in mind) and lose their vet entirely. They then instead of being a unit you are supposed to nurture and grow, become properly expendable. They become bodies to recrew and merge and die. They become field presence and pressure--not a lot, like now, but without paying the same as the enemy is for their proper fighting infantry.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:39 PMMaret

And which unit in such mechanic must be main infantry and fight against germans? Maxim? Or penals? As i told earlier: in each game you must have carry and support, you can't play in game full of supports without damage dealers. Such mechanic looks like Relief infantry, but more micro-oriented.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:55 PMthedarkarmadillo

If you build 4 cons (which is a lot) and get the side techs for them you are effectively paying 291mp for each of those squads. Do YOU feel like they outperform vanilla rifles? Approaching on penals for performance? Theu need a price cut hard is what they need...

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:08 PMStug life

they buffed their long range dps they even said it

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:08 PMStug life

cal 50 has the same deathloop/kauttelporter, same for the vicker , the death loop is for soviet only cause they don't know how to fix it (they could just change model of mg 42 and change it's stats to maxim, the animation would be clunky but no more death loop)

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:08 PMStug life

again look
Reload Frequency from 5 to 7
Scatter from 7.1 to 5.25
Cooldown from 0.5/0.7 to 0.35
Scatter offset to 0
Minimum range removed.
AA chance from 17% to 24%
Veterancy 2 AA chance from 24% to 40%
AOE can now only hit two models max per squad.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:08 PMStug life

again tell me who are those god tier with example or stats, but most importantly tell me which unit u are gonna buff to make it fair, or would u rather just nerf the one being too good when it has below 50% win rate ? while only buffing the soviet ones without nerf ?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:26 PMgbem

if thats the case then why didnt u oppose the buffing of underpowered WM units like the ostwind? why dont we return the ostwind the panzergren the flame halftrack and the 222 back to their underpowered states since "buffing underpowered units without nerfing god tier units" is perfectly fine if its towards the axis?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:18 PMStug life

taht logic does not really work as axis weapon upgrades are integrated in the tech cost ? do we add battle phase 1 to the green cost too ?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:40 PMthedarkarmadillo

Battle phase 1 gets you closer to tech and itself unlocks a unit.
Con upgrades ONLY do things for cons, meaning it's undisputably a cost increase for conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:43 PMStug life

so do we just ignore the cost increase for teching ?