Super AT Guns

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 13:08 PMKatitof

Why would they need any overhauls?

There is no point in fixing if there is nothing to fix.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 13:49 PMLago

There's also no point in posting if you have nothing to add.

In all seriousness though, they're odd units at the moment, the Pak 43 especially. They seem to be built around 'being a giant gun' rather than any clear strategic purpose.

I think it'd be good if the balance team decided what they're for and then made them both good at it.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 14:12 PMVipper

I guess one could try adding a crew that would be able to abandon the weapon.

If the crew was the only unit suitable to operate the weapon effectively or to operate at all, one could better balance these units.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 14:42 PMLago

Should they be decrewable at all? The building model worked quite well for the 17-pounder.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 14:53 PMVipper

The idea here is that cost is divided between the emplacement itself and the crew.

That allows unit preservation and better pricing.

For instance if the crew could abandoned the weapon and survive bombardments one could increase XP value and price for the package but lower the price for building the structure only.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 14:56 PMLago

It's possible, but Brace is a cleaner implementation of the same idea.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 12:41 PMLago

If you had a blank sheet to overhaul the Pak 43 and 17 Pounder, what would you do with them?

You're limited by the engine, so you can't make them mobile or give them new animations. Beyond that though, you can change anything you like.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 16:41 PMGrumpy

In general, I think they're fine right now. There are differences between the two but they're both pretty usable, and both great for punishing YOLO charges.

One possible change would be to make them self-spotting at max range. It seems really strange to have a game engine that requires a spotter for a direct fire weapon. I'd also make their range equal to any of the direct fire weapons that shoot at them.

Both of them should be able to be decrewed by attacking them with infantry. They should be highly vulnerable to infantry, grenades, or HE rounds and not easily damaged by AP rounds.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 18:50 PMRoastinGhost

I'm ok with these units since they require some amount of micro from the player using them. That's why they're more fair/engaging than the Bofors or CoH1 88mm.

I would actually like to see them able to be moved slowly, maybe via truck/halftrack. That would give the player even more to control, and make hunting them down more interesting than hitting a delete button on them at your leisure.

The "dismantle for refund" ability is kind of the same idea, but lets you get rid of them once they've done their job, which is nice. That was probably the right way to handle the issue this late in the game's life.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 20:20 PMmurky depths

RE: Micro -- I actually disagree. While I suppose you have to aim the gun in the right direction for the 17 pounder, the Pak43 has an, I assume unintended, feature that basically let's you auto-aim it (albeit as a reaction).