New USF doctrine is too good

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 15:51 PMGrumpy

USF does need a meatshield tank. The only problem with your suggestion is that there isn't a model for the Jumbo, unless Relic would be willing to use the model for the Easy 8 as the model for the Jumbo. I'd be happy with even a non-doctrinal Easy 8 (make it a side upgrade on Tier 3). If that happened, Rifle Company could replace the Easy 8 with the Pershing which would help that commander greatly.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 15:51 PMGrumpy

USF does need a meatshield tank. The only problem with your suggestion is that there isn't a model for the Jumbo, unless Relic would be willing to use the model for the Easy 8 as the model for the Jumbo. I'd be happy with even a non-doctrinal Easy 8 (make it a side upgrade on Tier 3). If that happened, Rifle Company could replace the Easy 8 with the Pershing which would help that commander greatly.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 16:13 PMpvtgooner

Another day, another nerf USF thread. WP shot is strong I agree, but I don't think it needs a nerf. Rangers with zooks are probably the most imbalanced thing in the commander, maybe just cut it down to two zooks. RE nades are a non-issue and probably the most gimmicky thing in the commander.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 16:13 PMpvtgooner

Another day, another nerf USF thread. WP shot is strong I agree, but I don't think it needs a nerf. Rangers with zooks are probably the most imbalanced thing in the commander, maybe just cut it down to two zooks. RE nades are a non-issue and probably the most gimmicky thing in the commander.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 17:00 PMLago

White Phosphorous is a cool commander ability, but putting it on the HE Sherman and throwing in the uparmouring upgrade in the same commander is a bit much. White Phosphorous lets the Sherman counter AT guns pretty hard, and the uparmouring upgrade gives it the edge over medium tanks.

That being said, this is also a Calliope commander, so maybe the redundancy balances it out?


USF and OKW in general could really do with a reshuffle of their commander abilities. The crazy 'do everything' commanders need less stuff in them, and the trash heap commanders need some serious love.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 19:26 PMBalanced_Gamer

I feel overall this commander is somewhat balanced

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 16:13 PMpvtgooner

Another day, another nerf USF thread. WP shot is strong I agree, but I don't think it needs a nerf. Rangers with zooks are probably the most imbalanced thing in the commander, maybe just cut it down to two zooks.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 16:51 PMTiger Baron

There is a community one in my signature.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 20:48 PMGrumpy

I downloaded the mod and played it but couldn't find a Jumbo in it. Is the Jumbo tied in to a specific commander or victory condition? By the way, thank you for mentioning the mod. I tried it and like it better than any other mod that I've tried. I especially like how they've done the line of sight.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 08:39 AMblvckdream

- WP Sherman hard countering AT-guns. Not sure why WP Sherman + bulldozer is one slot ability. It´s silly. 110 Fuel Shermans with high HP armor and built in hard counter to AT-guns? Who thought this was a good idea?

- Rifle Grenade is a horrible design. Makes enemy micro like crazy just to still lose all the engagements because units who need to mover can´t fight properly. Unlike a flamer the RE shoots the grenade from a safe distance over shot blockers etc. It´s basically like a mortar but 10x better. I think it´s both too good and badly designed. On maps with lots of garrisons it´s even worse because you can put the RE into the house and they still shoot the damn grenades. Why is that?

- Molotovs for Riflemen are good increasing USF potency in infantry engagements even more without any drawback. It´s USF and UKF design that you need to tech grenades. Now you don't and it makes the Volks/Grens vs Riflemen dynamic even more unbalanced.

- Sprint + Rangers with elite zooks = Terrible idea. PzGrens with Shrecks are ok because of 4 men but on a durable 5 men Rangers squad this is just another silly idea. The power creep with this doctrine is once again just too much. How many more buffs does USF get???

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 20:55 PMTiger Baron

You need the game modes as well as skin packs for the mod which are separate items on the workshop, that and the units being tied to their specific fronts and years (for example the Jumbo being in 1944: Battle of the Bulge) are the only 2 thing hampering the mod but they're sadly limits of the modding tools more than anything else.

TL;DR

Download the other parts of the mod (should have the same name if you search for them, 3 skin packs and 1 victory/game mode conditions) and select the victory condition to be 1944: Battle of the Bulge for the Jumbo.

Guy made the mod with realism in mind, with that said he's researched everything in great detail and implemented it as best he could given the limitations of the modding tools sadly, still I think he's done a fantastic job.