Panther armor rebalance.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2019, 05:42 AMachpawel

Toning down TDs a bit is another perfectly valid option. My favourite would be some faster repair option for ost or pio crit repairs - also could do the job.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2019, 22:34 PMthedarkarmadillo

That would simply make it too attractive of an option and would outshine other units. It would ruin team games (again) because all you would need is panthers

Reducing the front armour does nothing against its intended counters while making it weaker against other units. Premium mediums would have an easier time brawling with the panther in exchange for being more durable when flanked?

Allied TDs need toning down. Don't adjust a functioning unit due to an overperforming one

Jump back to quoted post14 Jun 2019, 06:23 AMthedarkarmadillo

I'm inclined to disagree about fast repairs. I'm probably an hold out here but I remember a time when taking damage meant something. When retreating a tank with 1 hit of health meant that tank was out of commission for some time. When actions had meaning. When losing models left a squad weakened. When you as a commander had to decide if it was worth taking the damage knowing that the unit would be down for a bit.

I would rather see all repairs normalized DOWNWARD to EFA levels so dealing damage means something again.

Its horseshit grinding a unit down to the brink of death only to have it back in full operating order in 45 seconds. It devalues dealing damage and makes wipes too defining. It changes the game and not in a good way.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2019, 06:05 AMmrgame2

I thought SU85 and FF are ok TD, no need nerf.
Jackson is overperforming for its costs though, speed accuracy pen damage and 2click self repair.

We can start by making Usf crew repair 75% slower, and see how. 2 click repair without using resources and popcap, needs to do worse in today patched games.

I say the reason why many feel allies TD are too strong, is what are supporting them now. Thats why i suggest to try redistribute Panther armor. At least it bridged a gap between Allies med and AI heavies. Clearer distinction in units tier.

Now that Ostwind and Stug got some buff.

I know doing this armor thing seems a big change, but i think its not if you go down the numbers.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:11 AMgbem

the panther is fine... stop trying to buff it...

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 22:27 PMsomeonewithideas

I'd argue it's actually too much.

It has really good speed and insane reverse. It takes six hits to kill now and is very hard to counter mutliple it usually sneaks in and kills anything in a dive attack without actual micro play.

It could use an HP reduction.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 22:27 PMsomeonewithideas

I'd argue it's actually too much.

It has really good speed and insane reverse. It takes six hits to kill now and is very hard to counter mutliple it usually sneaks in and kills anything in a dive attack without actual micro play.

It could use an HP reduction.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 22:55 PMWiderstreit

You ever used snares? A Panther with broken engine is a gg, use your range and Panther can't deal tank-destroyers. You will not have more than 2 Panther, because of pop-cap (if you wan't to rep them with more than one Pio).

Panther is only useful versus heavies, beside that there are better solutions.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2019, 01:23 AMMr.Flush

All you have to do is move your tanks where allies don't have los and get a volley off on a tank destroyer. The second volley will kill your target.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2019, 01:37 AMmrgame2

Yep, sounds easier than sitting back with cheaper 60 range tanks i guess...

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2019, 01:37 AMmrgame2

Yep, sounds easier than sitting back with cheaper 60 range tanks i guess...