German flexibility vs Soviet flexibility

Jump back to quoted post13 Oct 2013, 08:31 AMRubbers

Soviets have to specilize because important units lie in different buildings. You cant build all the buildings you have to select two, and they cost alot and take a very long time to build, which doenst make sense.

So half of the soviet army will always be unavailable to the soviet player, unlike germans whos units all lie in the different tiers as they tech up, they have access to all thier infantry except pgrens in thier t1 building right off the bat.

This inheritly allows for germans to be able to do much more things and have much more flexible strategies. There is no denying this fact. I feel after the soviet player makes two buildings, the others should go down in price and build time so if he so wishes, and has the extra resources, he can make a third building to get access to more of his army without putting himself behind so much in fuel that its a death sentence.


Conscripts are so bad and are just a manpower drain on the soviet player. They are outclassed in every single way and die very fast to LMG grens, and the grens can get LMG's within the first minutes of the game, which is ludacris and unbalanced. Its also not doctrinal like the only way soviets have of upgrading conscripts so they can fight back (PPsh). Also, soviet players have to pay 250 man power and 50 fuel just so that thier conscripts can have the same abilities as grens do for free right off the bat.

Combat Engineers for some reason cost more than thier counterpart pioneers. And build times are ludacris which is why 90% of all soviet players have to start out spamming conscripts, which are outclassed in every way especially since losing thier bulletins in the past patch.


I play both and am decently ranked with both, and I know without fanboyism, that germans are slighty overpowered and you can just do so much more with them, they are more fun, they are able to dictate the flow of battle because of the sheer number of possible strategys they can use and the soviet always seems to have to counter them.

Tiger tanks are way too tough and powerful for only being 200 fuel, many times have i had all the fuel on the map and still my enemy is able to call in a tiger and use it to eventually win the game, since when its vet 1 ability comes up its way too strong. Multiple Zis's + su85's wont kill this thing in time because 80% of the shots will be deflected. Its an easy "I win" button that works unless your really bad or your against overwhelming odds and have no luck.

All german armor outclasses soviet armor in every way, but soviets dont even have the AT options germans have with thier panzershreks. Also blitzkreig STILL works when your engine is damaged while ram doesnt, and the devs have known about this and still havent fixed it.

It all doesnt make much sense to me, and how the devs and community can think this is 100% balanced is beyond logic, the people who say this only play german so they wouldnt know. Soviet is hard mode for sure. I can go on and on about balance but it will fall on fanboy ears and make no difference.

Highly ranked german player and decent ranked soviet player, i play both
http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/steamid/76561198096023775

Jump back to quoted post13 Oct 2013, 21:41 PMNullist

Aaand another person who wont answer a direct question.

Seems to be very difficult for some people these days.

Dunno. For me it was a necessary skill I learned in school.
Either you answered your test questions specifically and relevantly, using the proper syntax, Or you failed. Maybe that is no longer the case and kids just run around saying "no, im not gonna answer your question".

A) Where does Ost flexibility reside?
B) Where does Sov flexibility reside?

Seemed simple enough to me. But I guess not.

Dont answer then.
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Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2013, 07:00 AMMarcoRossolini

True, but good luck getting the fuel for that.

I don't understand how you can say Soviet flexibility is anywhere on par with German flexibility. Germans have access to all their army list. Soviets have access to half at a relatively equal price to Germans. Not only that but German units are superior in most respects to Soviet equivalents. Somethings wrong when you need a ton of micro compared to your opponent who requires a good deal less.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2013, 02:46 AMZombiFrancis

MGs suppress and pin Infantry, Mortars clear MGs, Infantry clear mortar teams. Snipers are fragile wildcards. Rock-Paper-Scissors-Sniper.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2013, 02:10 AMmax0x7ba

Very well put. I stopped playing because of exactly what you wrote, still checking out the forum though. Russians are unplayable.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2013, 02:27 AMmax0x7ba

Someone ban this troll please.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2013, 02:51 AMMaxKeiser

The game is fairly balanced, its just that the current successful strategies are very abusive and not to appealing to the majority of rts fans.

Number of games: 30429
Win ratio: 0.644943967925

Number of games: 31035
Win ratio: 0.699500563879

python ladder-stats.py "http://www.coh2.org/ladders/index/1/1/0";
python ladder-stats.py "http://www.coh2.org/ladders/index/0/1/0";

from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup
import urllib2, sys

url = sys.argv[1]
content = urllib2.urlopen(url).read()
soup = BeautifulSoup(content)

totalWins = 0
totalLosses = 0
for page in range(1, 10):
    for ul in soup.findAll('ul', attrs={'class':('ladders items page page-' + str(page))}):
        for wins in ul.findAll('div', attrs={'class':'wins'}):
            totalWins += int(wins.text)
        for losses in ul.findAll('div', attrs={'class':'losses'}):
            totalLosses += int(losses.text)

print("Number of games: " + str(totalLosses + totalWins))
print("Win ratio: " + str(float(totalWins)/float(totalLosses + totalWins)))

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2013, 18:05 PMwooof

the leaderboard stats go back all the way through beta, so looking at win ratios really doesnt mean much at all. if you could find the win ratio for just this patch, that would be a different story, but the game and the balance has changed so much you really cant draw any conclusions from those numbers.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2013, 23:21 PMBlovski

Exactly.

Those specific ratios are not that useful when a lot of the top 200 are players who've been inactive for a long time, and I'm also not sure twe you can generalise from the win rates of the top 200 to the rest of the playerbase.

Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2013, 15:45 PMTurtle

Well, ladder decay is in now, but it'll probably take some time for it to affect the ladder.