SOV: Move T-34/76 to T3 and make T-34/85 non-doc/T4

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 16:56 PMCrecer13

Now there is no incentive for the construction of T-34-76. He comes at the same time as the Pz4 which beats him as an anti-infantry and anti tank. Or a little earlier than the Panther if the German does not go to T3. Maybe in 1 vs 1 this has a meaning, but in 2 vs 2 and above in T-34 there is no sense.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 17:07 PMLago

Medium tanks getting obliterated by the saturation of team weapons and tank destroyers is a problem with teamgames, not a problem with the T-34/76.

As I said, I think it could do with a +20 penetration buff, but putting it in T3 is insane.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 17:56 PMStug life

20 overall would be too much, just mid range ?

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 18:06 PMLago

20 would put it on par with the Sherman.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 11:44 AMMr Carmine

I see your point. But what role would the t70 need to fill? Scouting? Other then that i can not think of anything else.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 00:32 AMStug life

it's still 90 fu, i would go for, 140/110/90

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 00:18 AMcochosgo

T3 vehicles have very defined roles.

T34 can't outperform the T70 in the anti infantry department, and its vet1 ability is laughable compared to the T70 recon+capture. The Su76 its far better in the anti vehicle role while also being able to reveal infantry in the minimap.

The T34 would end up as a middle of the road, more brute force oriented alternative.

If T34 is to be moved to T3 it will need a fuel cost increase to compensate it, but it should be lowered to 90 (as it is now) when T4 is built for it to keep its stats

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:53 PMFelinewolfie

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I had a suggestion once upon a time :

T4 : T34/76 90 fu. Having T3 unlocks T34/76 (in T3) for 100 fu.
This allows to make more T34s, albeit less efficiently.

The Ostheer Panzer building is 15 fu !!! The Russian equivalent is 90 fu.
Yes. I know about Battle Phase costs. Still.

Making T34 earlier is not the answer, however.

* I agree with Katitoff that if you put T34/76 into T3 as it is, you've
just deleted the T70.

I think it should appear in T3 AFTER T4 has been unlocked (And cost more)
(In T3 only, not T4 - that one remains at 90 fu).

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:59 PMHannibal

Why would you build the T3 T34 for 100 fuel if you already have the T4 T34 for 90 fuel?

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:58 PMHannibal

Why not give it more close range pen and higher speed and acceleration?
The concept of the T34 is flanking, this would feed into the aggressive playstyle of Soviets as a cheap throw away unit that pushes into enemy lines to force a break through. The only problem I see atm is that the T34 will always be suicided for rocket arty.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:59 PMHannibal

Why would you build the T3 T34 for 100 fuel if you already have the T4 T34 for 90 fuel?

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 21:56 PMFelinewolfie

It's similar to USA's use of the captain to make tanks 3x faster.
It's similar to Wehr's Pz4 factory costing 15 fuel (!!!)
Ostheer factory : 15 fuel
Soviet factory : 90 fuel

Soviets can have huge, harder to replace losses. Esp since they have - LESS - factory
power than Ostheer's

It's simply an option. And people can't say it's overpowered.
OF COURSE you'd only build T34 from T4. But if you just lost all your tanks,
it allows you to replenish your tank forces faster.

- Yes. For Parallel building as Lago said.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2019, 06:53 AMblancat

you forgot ostheer have phase upgrade

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2019, 11:43 AMFelinewolfie

I didn't forget about phase upgrades.
But once you have that first Factory, parallel factories cost 15 fu only.

Soviets, phase AND factory cost are built-into the factory.
So that if you want parallel factories, they'll cost 90fu each.

It's not an OP ability for the soviets to gain parallel production as I've
described, and it'd come in way handy, if they have an important loss of tanks
to make up for. Which happens more often to Soviets than Germans