British base smoke barrage

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 14:04 PMthedarkarmadillo

then dont get the sweeper if you want 5 stens.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 14:04 PMVipper

Again if you prob4lem is the sweepers you should be suggesting that they spawn without it.

There is no reason to buff the unit more and your only argument is the "grass is greener on the other side".

If you want 5 stens simply buy R.E.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 18:23 PMSuperHansFan

By your logic Brits or OKW should never have snares because "if you want them pick doctrine"

Sorry but that argument is the weakest one going. USF mortar, OKW P4, OKW MG34, UKF and OKW snare all prove you wrong

Every faction should have access to basic tools like smoke or snare.

Problem with Brits is their smoke is tied to a forgotten unit (mortar pit) that is only useful in sim city strats. Not mobile assaults that other mortars or ISG afford

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 18:45 PMVipper

UKF always had snare, they had actually 3 sniper, gammon and AEC. Now they have 4 and they are in better place.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 18:23 PMSuperHansFan

By your logic Brits or OKW should never have snares because "if you want them pick doctrine"

Sorry but that argument is the weakest one going. USF mortar, OKW P4, OKW MG34, UKF and OKW snare all prove you wrong

Every faction should have access to basic tools like smoke or snare.

Problem with Brits is their smoke is tied to a forgotten unit (mortar pit) that is only useful in sim city strats. Not mobile assaults that other mortars or ISG afford

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 19:34 PMKatitof

A temporary snare locked behind vet1 that doesn't even snare anything above light on a unit you'll never have more then 1 and likely won't have it alife in mid and late game.
An exclusive tech, vet locked RNG based temporary snare on a unit you'll never have more then 1 and likely won't have it alife in mid and late game.
An exclusive end game tech locked, temporary snare that relies on opponent being micro idiot to actually hit.

And you compare that to mainline infantry faust/AT nades?

That's like saying OKW AT doesn't lack anything, because they have shreck sturmpios and panther and puppchen should never be buffed because that reason alone.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 13:56 PMSuperHansFan

still 5 stens vs 4 with sweeper, former is better.

I would like to see it as an option personally.

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2019, 04:10 AMKiwiBirb

Why are you idiots talking about snares and infantry AT in a thread about smoke cover???

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2019, 04:42 AMdistrofio

Wow dude! Let people free speak...

Imho Brits dont need any kind of buff/new tools. But I guess that's an unpopular one.

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2019, 19:34 PMKatitof

A temporary snare locked behind vet1 that doesn't even snare anything above light on a unit you'll never have more then 1 and likely won't have it alife in mid and late game.
An exclusive tech, vet locked RNG based temporary snare on a unit you'll never have more then 1 and likely won't have it alife in mid and late game.
An exclusive end game tech locked, temporary snare that relies on opponent being micro idiot to actually hit.

And you compare that to mainline infantry faust/AT nades?

That's like saying OKW AT doesn't lack anything, because they have shreck sturmpios and panther and puppchen should never be buffed because that reason alone.

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2019, 04:52 AMKiwiBirb

I agree, but...

I would prefer them to have non-doc smoke without gimmicky mortar pits, and a buff for the Comet. Neither of these are needed per say, but would be good in my opinion

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2019, 07:00 AMthedarkarmadillo

They also have it on the cromwell, church and comet as well as the AEC. They don't really lack for smoke. They just don't have the smoke you want... The only faction with more smoke than the brits is the "smoke and flank" faction usf...

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2019, 21:59 PMLoopDloop

All those options come in the lategame though, with the exception of the AEC, and that doesn't really count if we're being honest. It's more of a defensive thing and it doesn't even work properly all the time.

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2019, 23:03 PMVipper

An AEC can drive in cone of a HMG and pop smoke to block vision. (Some other units can also do that).

When it comes to smoke for UKF, I would test replacing the HE shell barrage of pyrotechnics with smoke rounds. Some other changes would also be necessary like air-bust shell but that is fixable.