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8 May 2019, 12:39 PM
#1
avatar of Leo251

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I think we all agree that OST is in a delicate position and it´s the harder faction to play and win.
Maybe some small adjustments would help them a lot:

- Reduce the set up time of the HMG42: this would help a lot to not lose this unit so easily and leaving buildings faster in case of granades.

- Reduce the upgrade time of Battle Phases and Buildings.

- Increase the penetration of the STUG just a little. OST is the only faction that does not have an AT dedicated vehicle to deal with the heavy ones, especially the ISU-152, IS2, KV2, KV1 and Churchills. Currently the STUG has less penetration than the SU76 if I am not mistaken.

- Increase in some way the survival of the Grens. Or reduce its price.
8 May 2019, 12:56 PM
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Have you seen the commander preview version 4.0?
You might want to try it first.

Commander preview Version 4.0:
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8 May 2019, 13:03 PM
#3
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Give grenadier damage reduce at vet2 or more reduce receive accuracy at vet2 I will sooooo happy
8 May 2019, 13:06 PM
#4
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Give grenadier damage reduce at vet2 or more reduce receive accuracy at vet2 I will sooooo happy

It already has it at vet1.
Go and test units first, then complain.
8 May 2019, 13:19 PM
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It already has it at vet1.
Go and test units first, then complain.

I say Grenadier,not PanzerGrenadier,OK?
8 May 2019, 13:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 May 2019, 12:39 PMLeo251
I think we all agree that OST is in a delicate position and it´s the harder faction to play and win.
Maybe some small adjustments would help them a lot:

- Reduce the set up time of the HMG42: this would help a lot to not lose this unit so easily and leaving buildings faster in case of granades.

- Reduce the upgrade time of Battle Phases and Buildings.

- Increase the penetration of the STUG just a little. OST is the only faction that does not have an AT dedicated vehicle to deal with the heavy ones, especially the ISU-152, IS2, KV2, KV1 and Churchills. Currently the STUG has less penetration than the SU76 if I am not mistaken.

- Increase in some way the survival of the Grens. Or reduce its price.



Yes Ost is bad but buffing MG42 is the worst possible way to help them.

Reducing upgrade time of BP and buildings is not really that helpful.

Ostheer has Panthers to deal with heavy allied tanks so no Stug doesn´t need more pen.
8 May 2019, 13:35 PM
#7
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Its not the OStheer that needs buff it the other factions that need nerfs...
8 May 2019, 13:37 PM
#8
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I say Grenadier,not PanzerGrenadier,OK?

Ah, keep dreaming then. Its 240mp squad, cheapest mainline inf in game next to cons in an army that is supposed to rely on weapon teams.
8 May 2019, 13:37 PM
#9
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Make G43 default option.

No that big of a help but an interesting option that would also be viable for Pzgrens without having to acquire a Doctrine.

Nothing special or that strong about G43, it would most certainly be a fine addition.
8 May 2019, 13:46 PM
#10
avatar of Leo251

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Yes Ost is bad but buffing MG42 is the worst possible way to help them.

Reducing the set up time is not a big buff. It´s just a way to improve its survivability.


Reducing upgrade time of BP and buildings is not really that helpful.

Something is something.


Ostheer has Panthers to deal with heavy allied tanks so no Stug doesn´t need more pen.

I know, but Panther´s Range, ROF, DPS and Accuracy is not near similar to another allied AT vehicles, like SU85, Jackson or Firefly. Ost needs a good dedicated AT vehicle.
8 May 2019, 13:52 PM
#11
avatar of Leo251

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Make G43 default option.

No that big of a help but an interesting option that would also be viable for Pzgrens without having to acquire a Doctrine.

Nothing special or that strong about G43, it would most certainly be a fine addition.

IMO the main problem with OST infantry is its Survivability, not its DPS, specially Grens and PGrens. Currently there are a lot of allied tanks and explotion like weapons that insta wipe 2 or 3 models.
8 May 2019, 14:21 PM
#12
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 May 2019, 13:52 PMLeo251

IMO the main problem with OST infantry is its Survivability, not its DPS, specially Grens and PGrens. Currently there are a lot of allied tanks and explotion like weapons that insta wipe 2 or 3 models.


That is true and I am quite well aware of that fact. It has been discussed about grens many times and many are not in favour of increasing their overall survivability. Which is quite frankly, unfortunate.

Maybe firepower is a compensation instead for the increased likelihood of losing grens. Maybe increase cost to 250 in the process.

There is no clear resolution regarding grens or their overall survivability. Wehr units are prone or most likely to lose their squads to explosives in contrast to other factions.

Maybe they should have a modifier which decreases the likelihood of them losing squads or damage reduction to explosives specifically. That sort I suppose would resolve the situation. Other than that, that is all I can think of thus far.
8 May 2019, 14:21 PM
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Ah, keep dreaming then. Its 240mp squad, cheapest mainline inf in game next to cons in an army that is supposed to rely on weapon teams.

In late game Grenadier has lowest HP
8 May 2019, 14:31 PM
#14
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In late game Grenadier has lowest HP

Is this comment based on any facts or what?? All infantry models (except snipers) have exactly 80 hp.
8 May 2019, 14:41 PM
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Is this comment based on any facts or what?? All infantry models (except snipers) have exactly 80 hp.

80*squad size/receive accuracy,even though ignore receive accuracy,Grenadier is lowest squad HP,in late game UKF infantry also has increase squad size
8 May 2019, 14:43 PM
#16
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Some numbers

EHP at vet 3
IS 129x5 = 645
VG 103x5 = 519
Gren 114x4 = 457
Cons 112x6 = 676
rifl 125 = 625
8 May 2019, 15:04 PM
#17
avatar of Leo251

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jump backJump back to quoted post8 May 2019, 14:43 PMVipper
Some numbers

EHP at vet 3
IS 129x5 = 645
VG 103x5 = 519
Gren 114x4 = 457
Cons 112x6 = 676
rifl 125 = 625

Thanks!
With such low HP inf, and without AT dedicated stock vehicles, OST late game is very difficult.
8 May 2019, 15:39 PM
#18
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 May 2019, 15:04 PMLeo251
and without AT dedicated stock vehicles, OST late game is very difficult.


The Panther is a dedicated tank destroyer.
8 May 2019, 15:57 PM
#19
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The Panther is a dedicated tank destroyer.


+ Jäger Armor is probably the most popular doctrine in 2v2+


8 May 2019, 16:12 PM
#20
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Make Ostruppen default unit for Osteehr. Problem solved. Love that meme:hansWUT::sibHyena:

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