Universal carrier rework thread

Jump back to quoted post8 May 2019, 21:02 PMSuperHansFan

We are posting survivability for the units

With the kubel nerfs people found it UP (right now there's a thread saying it's too fragile in need of buff), I argue nerfed armour UC will be the same and end up needing to be buffed again

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 13:42 PMBalanced_Gamer

I think it should be a bit more vulnerable to small arms than it is currently now considering it does not cost any fuel and only manpower like Kubel. Maybe increase it slightly more the chances of damaging it with small arms since it feels somewhat impenetrable unless you use Submachine guns.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 14:30 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

The Kubel caps, has shared veterancy, and gets 5 levels of generally fantastic veterancy bonuses to let it do everything from suppress passively to self repair for free to maphack

UC price to repair nerf while the kubel can do it free make brits sad

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 15:49 PMthedarkarmadillo

You don't want upgrades on a Kuble because it's too squishy. You gunna dump muni into something that a mine and 2 bullets will kill?

Also the Kuble has fantastic vet, hopefully we get the chance to see some of it now.

As for the UC im undecided about the changes. The armour nerf seems somewhat negligible, but combined with the self repair increase I think it might slow Bren blobs a bit OR just kill the UC off entirely. We will see.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 14:30 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

The Kubel caps, has shared veterancy, and gets 5 levels of generally fantastic veterancy bonuses to let it do everything from suppress passively to self repair for free to maphack

UC price to repair nerf while the kubel can do it free make brits sad

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 17:22 PMKoRneY

Five levels of generally fantastic vet that you could use your cock to count the number of times you've ever actually gotten to it.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 13:10 PMLago

It looks like a big nerf, but in practice it's going from 14% small arms chance to penetrate to 18% chance to penetrate. That's, what, a 4% damage increase versus it?

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 18:19 PMSuperHansFan

It's not as small as that because it depends on the range and weapon firing, iirc mg42/Kar 98/mp44 etc all have different pen

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 19:14 PMSander93

All small arms (MP40, STG44, Kar 98K, G43) have 1 penetration.
LMG 42 has 1.3/1.2/1.1 pen.
HMG 42 has 2.2/1.8/1.4 pen.

All weapons will only get a ~3-4% increased penetration chance with the armor nerf so the UC will still be able to bully squads, just a little bit less than now.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 13:10 PMLago

It looks like a big nerf, but in practice it's going from 14% small arms chance to penetrate to 18% chance to penetrate. That's, what, a 4% damage increase versus it?

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 19:41 PMSuperHansFan

Vs the MG42 it's pretty much changed engagements you can argue putting the armour down to kubel levels. The armour a year or so ago used to be 10? Around same as FHT. WASP was OP then but I would argue it was the range and old dot damage more than armour.

But it's a pretty major change taking away one of the perks of armour it had over other lights. I think it feels too fragile (especially vs MG42, what's the point of AP rounds if vanilla bursts can tear up a UC?) but that's what this thread is for.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 19:46 PMKatitof

That's not how % works.
It will be penetrated 28% more often by pen 1 small arms, more then that when HMG and LMG shoots it.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 20:07 PMdistrofio

UC are pretty durable, getting nerfed about that is not the end of the world for them. Its like nerfing FHT DPS, they still have a lot.