NEW COMMANDER PREVIEW - 7.0 version

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 14:16 PMMaret

And what we will do with penals? If we removed them, SU lost alternative infantry unit. OST have Pgrens, OKW have obers, USF have officers and UKF have engeeners with options to buy weapon and get upgrade from anvil.
I said it before, that penals must reverted into narrow specialists squad. As example:

1. Tank hunters - 3 PTRS and mosins and ability similar to brit sniper. IMHO i prefer this squad as analogue of light AT gun with cone of fire. It looks more realistic, as ptrs never used to shoot from hands.
2. Breakthrough squad - ppshs and satchels.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 14:26 PMCrecer13

Conscripts will be all the same penals only stretched in time, they will receive six SVT-40. With six SVT-40 recruits will be an excellent unit, and there will be no complaints that six SVT-40 penalty points are OP at the start of the game. With six SVT-40 conscripts will be an excellent unit, and there will be no complaints that six SVT-40 penals are OP at the start of the game.

We already have an assault unit - shock troops, explosives can be moved with it.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 14:43 PMMaret

I don't argue that this make cons real mainline squad. But totally remove entire unit for this, it give less diversity to gameplay. Much easier balance only one unit to another, but we all also want to see diversity and variable tactics. If you remove penals who will build T1 for SU? It will be totaly dead building without any real options (only if you want sniper for some reasons...). And don't forget that problem with cons was not only they weakness against other infantry as weak maxims do that. You always go to T2 for maxims and after maxim nerf we got penals with AT option to get buildorder where you can build infantry and get some AT options.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 15:02 PMBalanced_Gamer

Just give Conscripts an upgrade option "SVT package" providing 2 or 3 of them by default. That will make everyone happy for sure.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 20:42 PMdistrofio

Its not about "making everyone happy". That only encourages cicle buff and nerfs and people arguing each other here on the forums.
Being right has nothing to do about being accepted.

Cons becoming the new penals to make them mainline inf is just lazy writing, its a bad design. Cons are the "versatile" option for SU as for penals are the "punch hard" aspect of it. If penals were to change in anything it should be to shorten their lifespan ingame. Not making them more fragile, but to make them scale worse into mid-lategame and make them cheaper too. Then buff cons midgame and scalability to make the player choose, either safe aggressive start or a riskier adaptative early into a stronger lategame.

One favours vs OST and the other vs OKM.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 21:21 PMBalanced_Gamer

It is kind of hard to resolve what is the best solution then for Conscripts. Maybe a slight price nerf. Around 220-230 manpower. That is my opinion. I mean they are not supposed to a great unit. Good supportive unit, that is for sure. 200 manpower would be a bit too cheap tough.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 22:11 PMMaret

If unit not supposed to be good, no one use it. You can ask old Ostwind and maxim how it feels. I know only one good support unit in game - osttruppens. Supercheap, superfast time to reinforce, snare, can build defense and get access to weapon upgrade. Add to it superior HMG and not the worst PGrens and you can hold a ground.
Cons now in the same position as old ostwind and maxim. Maxim is trash on wheels with deathloop and soap bubbles instead of bullets and where for OST i have one HMG for SU i need 2 maxims. What we tried to do now it make cons strong enough without maxim. But it's dead road. Penals strong without maxim and it's work. Cons without maxim never be work.

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 22:17 PMBalanced_Gamer

Conscripts were not real trained units. If associate it with Irl, they were just men with rifles. Reason why cuz Stalin purged most of the army, experienced officers. Guess they had to train themselves through terror and harsh conditions. For the sake of the game, it would be nice to see for them to get some upgrades or alternatives.

They are supposed to fit the role of support although I feel they could at least get some upgrades or something. That would be great. That is what they should get. I think all the molotov and at package should be cheaper or for free for that matter!

I know how the SU works btw!

Jump back to quoted post9 May 2019, 22:17 PMBalanced_Gamer

They are supposed to fit the role of support although I feel they could at least get some upgrades or something. That would be great. That is what they should get. I think all the molotov and at package should be cheaper or for free for that matter!

I know how the SU works btw!

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2019, 01:09 AMthedarkarmadillo

Mark my words. RE nade spam will drown out the sun.

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2019, 07:54 AMKatitof

I find it extremely disappointing that M-42 canister shot was soft-removed from the game by gutting its range instead of lowering its potency by increasing reload significantly.

Jump back to quoted post10 May 2019, 06:33 AMsherlock

How does it reach "feature complete" when, from what I can see, a majority agrees that there is a huge problem with the USF commander in that it is incredibly bland, derivative and completely lacks any innovation or new features when compared to any other commander.

The only "stand-out" feature are RE nades, which split the community into people who believe they are broken and people who seem them as okay.



At least I get some nice other commanders, but the USF commander is a big letdown for me.

That being said. I am very grateful for the work Andy and the community team have done on the other commanders and the faction changes and am excited for the patch. Thank you guys