Commandos also have one of THE shittiest vet bonuses in the game.
25% accuracy is their ONLY combat vet bonus, while storms get proper vet.
Commandos should be buffed then! Stronger grenade and camo in red cover should help
Storm trooper rework is awful
21 Apr 2019, 14:21 PM
#21
Posts: 682
Commandos should be buffed then! Stronger grenade and camo in red cover should help
/s
21 Apr 2019, 19:15 PM
#22
Posts: 2358
Seems like a L2P issue to me.
By the way, the comparison with commandos is unfair, given how extremely OP commandos are and still not nerfed appropriately to this day.
Cons are compared to volks and thats fine, Stormtruppers are compared to commandos, "is unfair".
Ironic
21 Apr 2019, 20:05 PM
#23
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
(snip)
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Apr 2019, 20:13 PM
#24
Posts: 1593 | Subs: 1
Cons primarily are mainline infantry.
Volks primarily are mainline infantry.
Storms are primarily support infantry.
Commandos are primarily ambush CQC AI specialists.
Do you start to see the picture why it "is unfair" or should I bring crayons for better explanation?
thanks for pointing something so obvious out!
21 Apr 2019, 21:35 PM
#25
Posts: 3053
Stormtrooper are really good, but you can't use them like rangers. They're ambush units and are great at wiping things on retreat too. L2P with them and you'll see the difference.
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22 Apr 2019, 00:06 AM
#26
Posts: 3032 | Subs: 3
*yawn*
Put a stormtrooper next to a road, then wait for the enemy to come closer, activate tactical assault and enjoy your free wipe.
"B...But Storms lose a 1v1 engagement vs Commandos and Shocks!!!!!"
coh2.org balance forum verdict: unit must be bad
It's also funny how OP claimed that the changes made Encirclement weaker. The flame nade got additional dmg vs caches and they have higher (de-)capture-rate. The only thing I agree on is the schreck upgrade. That one is so trash they might as well remove it
Put a stormtrooper next to a road, then wait for the enemy to come closer, activate tactical assault and enjoy your free wipe.
"B...But Storms lose a 1v1 engagement vs Commandos and Shocks!!!!!"
coh2.org balance forum verdict: unit must be bad
It's also funny how OP claimed that the changes made Encirclement weaker. The flame nade got additional dmg vs caches and they have higher (de-)capture-rate. The only thing I agree on is the schreck upgrade. That one is so trash they might as well remove it
22 Apr 2019, 00:37 AM
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You're telling me I can't brainlessly charge into the enemy and win? Must be trash
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22 Apr 2019, 02:43 AM
#28
Posts: 3053
You're telling me I can't brainlessly charge into the enemy and win? Must be trash
+1
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22 Apr 2019, 07:01 AM
#29
Posts: 810
*yawn*
Put a stormtrooper next to a road, then wait for the enemy to come closer, activate tactical assault and enjoy your free wipe.
"B...But Storms lose a 1v1 engagement vs Commandos and Shocks!!!!!"
coh2.org balance forum verdict: unit must be bad
Everybody know that
Don't talk like you only know it
Ideal situations do not always appear
Most ambushes are blocked by blobing and neutralized by light vehicles
Commandos can do damage to blobing beacause they are 5 and can use good grenade
Stormtrooper does not have the skills to hit blobing units in a short time
Tactical advantage will only make four Stormtrooper die better because of the penalty
Using tactical advance at short range and using tactical advance at medium range are very different in survival
That's why I insist on returning Mp44 to the storm trooper
With an Mp44, four Stormtrooper is enough
But if it's an Mp40, we need at least five
And can you tell how to use a storm trooper with only one panzershrek?
He is not a strong AI, nor a strong AV
Even if he is in an ambush, he can not play any role with a one Panzer Shrek.
22 Apr 2019, 07:35 AM
#30
Posts: 150
Nah, this is clearly a learn to ambush issue, i mean i made them work in a few games i had and i am not a great player. Just place them behind cover or in a crater, put hold fire on (duh) and wait for the enemy to come your way. It's really not rocket science.
It's true that they are not a great antiblob tool, but you know, you can't have everything and ostheer has other tools to handle that.
And yeah, you might as well delete the schreck.
It's true that they are not a great antiblob tool, but you know, you can't have everything and ostheer has other tools to handle that.
And yeah, you might as well delete the schreck.
22 Apr 2019, 07:45 AM
#31
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
You're telling me I can't brainlessly charge into the enemy and win? Must be trash
You know how it is, if a unit can't just run up to bad breath range against shock troops and stomp them down, it must be underpowered.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 Apr 2019, 07:54 AM
#32
Posts: 810
Nah, this is clearly a learn to ambush issue, i mean i made them work in a few games i had and i am not a great player. Just place them behind cover or in a crater, put hold fire on (duh) and wait for the enemy to come your way. It's really not rocket science.
It's true that they are not a great antiblob tool, but you know, you can't have everything and ostheer has other tools to handle that.
And yeah, you might as well delete the schreck.
learn to ambush issue?
want 1vs1? call your steam URL
As I have said repeatedly, everyone knows that much
I don't want Stormtrooper to have everything
I just want him to do well in one role
22 Apr 2019, 09:36 AM
#33
Posts: 150
They are doing well in their role.
22 Apr 2019, 09:51 AM
#34
Posts: 808
you guys are missing the point here, with mp44's they are more effective. They can still ambush very well with mp44's, but also can engage at mid- long range with them compared to mp40's. mp44's gives them more versatility
22 Apr 2019, 09:54 AM
#35
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
you guys are missing the point here, with mp44's they are more effective. They can still ambush very well with mp44's, but also can engage at mid- long range with them compared to mp40's. mp44's gives them more versatility
I think you are missing the point.
They were given MP40s, because they are -not meant to- engage at mid-long range, because the squad was reworked into CQC ambusher, which also made it its own distinct squad that didn't overlapped with PGs.
You want mid range damage, use just buffed PGs.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 Apr 2019, 10:01 AM
#36
Posts: 3032 | Subs: 3
Stormtrooper does not have the skills to hit blobing units in a short time
They dont need to do. Wehrmacht has excellent anti blobbing tools with the Brummbar and the Panzerwerfer.
22 Apr 2019, 10:14 AM
#37
Posts: 2066
You're telling me I can't brainlessly charge into the enemy and win? Must be trash
5 men tommies much
Kappa
22 Apr 2019, 13:00 PM
#38
Posts: 323 | Subs: 1
Except Commandos have 5 men and a strong grenade which makes them infinitely better than Shock Troopers.
Shocks> commandos ambush aside Kappa
22 Apr 2019, 14:43 PM
#39
Posts: 48
I tend to lean this towards the L2P issue. Wanting Storms to perform better with their intended role and then defending that saying they can't take on blobs, but commandos can because they have 5 man squads with a good grenade. I'd say if your taking on blobs with any single unit, you're doing it wrong. Even Brummbars should be supported.
22 Apr 2019, 16:35 PM
#40
Posts: 808
I think you are missing the point.
They were given MP40s, because they are -not meant to- engage at mid-long range, because the squad was reworked into CQC ambusher, which also made it its own distinct squad that didn't overlapped with PGs.
You want mid range damage, use just buffed PGs.
then they need to be given a 5th man like every other cqc ambushing squad
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