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Thanks for the info!
When they pick up two bazookas from the rack they actually get three, so that's three extra powerful bazookas. Which could be a bit too much, especially on a commander that has a sprint ability that can be used on several squads at once.
Are they supposed to get three (for the price of two) or is that a bug?
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ShadowLinkX37, Balance Team said that in worst case upgrade would cost mp and fuel. So that problem would be resolved.
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Still that is power creep, even though you pay for it. Imagine if pz4 could pay side armor skirts, tungsten rounds for extra pen and he rounds like Sherman's. It would be insanely OP
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Am I the only one who see a problem with a 110F HE sherman tank with 720 HP, 50 cal and 215 armor? Like come on guys. At least the OKW p4 at 234 has 640 HP and costs 140F. USF powercreep is unreal last few patches.
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Still that is power creep, even though you pay for it. Imagine if pz4 could pay side armor skirts, tungsten rounds for extra pen and he rounds like Sherman's. It would be insanely OP
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Nah, you gotta buy 3 of them for 150 munitions, from the weapon racks.
Big investment for a good pay off, 300 damage potential, since they don't get ambush bonuses.
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You are forgetting the munitions cost for both the .50 cal and the dozer blade.
On the "2 BARs" munitions hungry Army.
That often faces ATGs with enough penetration that the Dozerblade only adds the HP, the extra armor is only significant vs one PZ4s, which you have to switch from HE to beat and will come to dice or who has support anyway.
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The potential for unit power is more relevent the later the game goes. Munitions matter far less the later the game goes, and generally get dumped into 1-2 abilities like CAS. If the cost of the upgrades matters, T34s should be receiving a nerf to their MGs since their hull MGs deal equal DPS to that of the 3 MGs on the p4s, except P4s are required to pay for it.
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Like..... OKW P4 for Ost maybe?
Or better rounds buff for OKW P4 in elite armor?
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Well, for that I'll pull up one of the favorite arguments around, "it's doctrinal".
I guess PZ4 understands how Assymetrical Balance works.
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Then I'll just put up the even more common answer to that argument but instead of OKM I'll put USF, ready? USF OP, pls nerf.
Panzerfusiliers are doctrinal too and they already got more hate than volks before even going live into the game.
I guess that's how balance works. Either you defend it with logic or see it dumped into the nerf trash bin.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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(last time community was not hating on radical redesign of a unit which also now appeared earlier on field, JLI happened)
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Well, for that I'll pull up one of the favorite arguments around, "it's doctrinal".
I guess PZ4 understands how Assymetrical Balance works.
Your point is that this makes USF lategame even better vs OKW, who can struggle against them already, if they are allowed to get both fuel and munitions?
Because I can't deny the new doctrines are just BETTER than the old ones but there wasn't much competition to begin with. Pershing only meta remembers that.
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I mean I can go back and fourth all day with asymmetrically balanced things. Pfusi for example in the test mod. They're "doctrinal" yet they're trash tier without upgrades. Doctrinal =/= OP AF.
The point is, HE sherman doesn't need an HP and armor boost, not while jackson is curb stomping anything and everything and 2x scotts are near undefeatable.
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The design philosophy on the new Panzerfusiliers is they're an alternate opening: weaker than Volks out the gate but with stronger scaling.
The Dozer Blade though? No idea. I personally don't think it should be in Urban Assault or Mechanized: I'd rather give Urban Assault a proper premium medium tank and Mechanized's got enough in it already.
That's a minority opinion though, so I'll just have to get used to it.
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