[TEST] Best Long Range Anti Infantry Unit

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:28 PMEsxile

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KT was OP because of its stats, T-A was OP at release because of its stat. And yet they also had incredible cost also at that time.
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Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 16:40 PMVipper

Not really base stat was one factor, the performance of its counter was another. Su-85/M36 have been buffed allot and those units would be far less OP in the current state even with their original stats.

Point here is that base stat alone don't mean allot since there are number of other factor in play.

As I have pointed out to you the base that of JLI is not that great to begin with but there is a number of bonuses they get that are too much.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 16:35 PMStug life

just redid the test of the path finder 2bar vs fusilier g43 and they won at vet 3 vs vet 5 long range and green cover

can u post the video of ur test please

here some screen shoots of mine https://imgur.com/a/d2NQwCn

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:21 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

JLI are almost twice as hard to hit
JLI basically ignore cover
JLI snipe threshold is over twice as high
JLI get an out of cover bonus

Bias less
Ignore me that was pointed at Fusis.

A more interesting question. The BARs are higher priority than the Scoped rifles AFAIK, so they lose the snipe rifles before they lose their BAR. At four versus six models pathfinders drop DPS faster and can no longer snipe at half models, while the G43s retain their full damage output as the KARs drop and only the weapon upgrade remains.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 13:48 PMVipper

In the majority of times when a unit is characterized Over Performing it is meant OP for cost.

I JLI had a price of 500 manpower they would UP for cost.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 18:15 PMSupremeStefan

Pls test rangers with 3 vickers lol

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 17:40 PMBizrock

https://youtu.be/Y3C3QfEpFos
Here the test with 4 confronts at the same time. Fusiliers did win all of them vs Barfinders, but I can understand why in your test the Pathfinders won, you were using beyond the line of sight vision range, I did the tests with the range that almost every unit can see each other because not everyone has the line of sight of Pathfinders and fusiliers.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 01:17 AMStug life

no i made sure all the model were firing i put them just before the max range, what u tested is medium range which should be in fusilier favor

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 01:08 AMBizrock

This test should only cover plausible setups. Ranger with 3 vickers or grenadier with 2 M42 should in the tier list

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 11:51 AMJibberJabberJobber

If you want to test the long range performance of a squad, you turn them invinicible, put them at close to farthest range from the enemy (all models can fire on all models), spawn as many cons as you can fit behind the opposite sandbags, more means less room for error, then either delete the sandbags or not, depending on if you want to include cover. Max vet is ideal, so the squad doesn't vet up in the meantime.

The squad that kills the con blob the fastest, is propably the best long range squad (altho crit weapons target random models, so they work better versus single squads. You can target the enemy squads manually for them, if you have the patience.).

Letting squads fight each other means too many variables and the results IMO don't translate that well to real matches.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 17:56 PMRoastinGhost

Something to consider is that JLI and Pathfinder snipers have only .1 accuracy on the move. If they're forced to move around, their best asset is gone.

If they still need to be nerfed, I would look at the performance of their other rifles, because that's what keeps them protected when the sniper isn't in position. If they had grenadier performance at range, volks performance up close, and maybe more movement penalties, bad JLI play would be easier to punish.

For a pathfinder buff, increasing the moving accuracy to .25 would go a long way.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 11:51 AMJibberJabberJobber

Letting squads fight each other means too many variables and the results IMO don't translate that well to real matches.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 17:56 PMRoastinGhost

Something to consider is that JLI and Pathfinder snipers have only .1 accuracy on the move. If they're forced to move around, their best asset is gone.

If they still need to be nerfed, I would look at the performance of their other rifles, because that's what keeps them protected when the sniper isn't in position. If they had grenadier performance at range, volks performance up close, and maybe more movement penalties, bad JLI play would be easier to punish.

For a pathfinder buff, increasing the moving accuracy to .25 would go a long way.

Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2019, 04:45 AMBizrock

In my point of view, most of the times squads that are better at long range usually doesn't need to move.