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Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 13:47 PMullumulu

and now calc the stats for:

- jp4 fighting at the move a IS2
- FF fighting at the move a KT

And dont forget to shout the mouth after you realize jp4 is shit

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 13:57 PMSupremeStefan

U are dumb or what pls tell me what other opitons alies have espiecially nondoctrinal usf stuff hmm? Maybe sherman spam? Or as some stupid guy said bazzoka and at gun spam lol. This is more design problem. If u nerf jackson usf will be useless because they have only one gardening unit for late game. For exaple okw has jagpanzer panther kingtiger and they all good for tank battles.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 14:01 PMLoren

This is why you are biased.
JP4 wasn't counter of heavy tanks. there are rather options; Panther.

so anyway if you want, I make calculations for you.

IS-2 Hit point = 1040
IS-2 Front armor = 375
IS-2 Target size penalty = 2600%
Damage of JP4 = 160
number of penetrated rounds to destroy = 1040/160 = 7
JP4 Hit chance to IS-2 at maximum range = 4% * 26 = 100%
JP4 reload speed = 4.3~5.2
JP4 Penetration at maximum range = 170
Penetration chance to JP4 -> IS-2 = 170/375 = 45.3%
Expected Time to kill IS-2 = 4.3~5.2 / 0.453 * 7 = 66.4s~80.4s


KT Hit point = 1280
KT Front armor = 375
KT Target size penalty = 2400%
Damge of FF = 200
number of penetrated rounds to destroy = 1280/200 = 7
FF Hit chance to KT at maximum range = 4.4% * 24 = 100%
FF reload speed = 8
FF Penetration at maximum range = 210
Penetration chance to FF -> KT = 210/375 = 56.0%
Expected Time to kill KT = 8 / 0.56 * 7 = 100s



JP4 can kills IS-2 faster than FF kills KT
Now admit that you are biased.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 14:04 PMullumulu

sorry.i mean the jackson vs kt..what we all talked about the last posts.....not the ff

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 14:02 PMullumulu

thats why i suggested a t95 or other options for USF.

but jackson is by far the best TD you can get nondoc in this game vs armor. it trippled the effency from all other TDs.


its like you can get a vet 5 lmg ober while all other can get only 2 models pios.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 13:47 PMullumulu

and now calc the stats for:

- jp4 fighting at the move a IS2
- FF fighting at the move a KT

And dont forget to shout the mouth after you realize jp4 is shit

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 14:12 PMSupremeStefan

Jackson is the best medium TD so? Mg42 is the best mg. Hmm maybe asymetrical balance ? Im ok with that i dont have rocket arty or premium medium tank or even nondoc heavy tank but my medium tank destroyer is the best in game. Whats wrong with that ? For me its fair enough.

Axis only players should realize without Jacksons USF has nothing to counter heavy armor. I wish the "up gun" feature for Sherman was non-doctrinal to avoid this problem.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 13:35 PMKatitof

Well, you don't have to flank with Panthers, so why allies should with their top tier TDs?

You want to see TDs weaker?
Then scrap down that armor on axis armor.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 13:21 PMLoren

more armor

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 18:08 PMinsaneHoshi

Which TDs can the panther run straight at and win? And get by snares and AT guns too?

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 18:34 PMLago

On the first part, all of them. It takes six shots to kill a Panther, four shots to kill a TD, and the Panther has similar reload times (~5 seconds) to the SU-85 and Jackson. It'll absolutely clobber the Firefly, which takes eight seconds to reload.

Yes, if it's defended by snare infantry and AT guns you can't do that, but the whole isolated comparision breaks down when you bring the full army in.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 18:57 PMBananenheld

Or your Panther is missing the first few shots due needing to close in. Panther cant hit a barn while moving

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 18:20 PMinsaneHoshi

Armour on a case mate TD is quite useless, I mean it's nice to have but penitration mobility or a turret is better.. Either you are fighting other TDs in which case armour doesn't do much, or it's fighting other mediums in which case if they are in range and you have messed up.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 18:34 PMLago

On the first part, all of them. It takes six shots to kill a Panther, four shots to kill a TD, and the Panther has similar reload times (~5 seconds) to the SU-85 and Jackson. It'll absolutely clobber the Firefly, which takes eight seconds to reload.

Yes, if it's defended by snare infantry and AT guns you can't do that, but the whole isolated comparision breaks down when you bring the full army in.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2019, 19:53 PMAarotron

Tiger 1 is in sense upgraded pnz 4, as it effectively functions the same, with more cost