Based on the Rifle Company Thread and USF New Commander Suggestions I'd like to create a thread dedicated to discussing the Easy 8 and potential ways that it can be changed/improved for either inclusion in a new commander or as part of a future theoretical commander revamp.
In short, back in the days of the substandard Jackson the Easy 8 had a niche as a tanky AT brawler but after the Jackson buff and 76MM revamp the Easy 8 is woefully overpriced for a AT specialist that the cheaper 76MM can perform just as well. Simply put - the extra health and armor the Easy 8 provide isn't worth the price IMO. How would you suggest the best way to carve out a new role for Easy 8 to make both it and Rifle Company more appealing?
Personally I would suggest buffing it's AI and turning it into a USF Comet of sorts - a more expensive Premium Medium that's an allrounder capable of threatening infantry and mediums alike. Currently the Comet isn't a huge feature of Brit meta so I don't see the issue of USF having a similar performing unit.
Easy 8 Change Suggestions
18 Jan 2019, 21:50 PM
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18 Jan 2019, 21:55 PM
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I think that giving it buffs just because another unit (Jackson) got better, is weird logic.
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18 Jan 2019, 22:09 PM
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I think that giving it buffs just because another unit (Jackson) got better, is weird logic.
Exactly.
18 Jan 2019, 22:14 PM
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i would love if the ez8 got the hvap rounds m4c got, maybe nerf the normal rounds pen to compensate
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18 Jan 2019, 22:15 PM
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P O W E R C R E E P WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
1. The EZ8 in terms of stats is a great tank. We just keep buffing the units around it so far over the top it makes the tank seem subpar.
2. Its doctrine is very meh.
1. The EZ8 in terms of stats is a great tank. We just keep buffing the units around it so far over the top it makes the tank seem subpar.
2. Its doctrine is very meh.
18 Jan 2019, 22:17 PM
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I think that giving it buffs just because another unit (Jackson) got better, is weird logic.
It's not because Jackson got buffs - it's because it now no longer has a role because of those buffs and overall USF changes. I'm not saying the the Easy 8 has to be straight buffed necessarily but it needs to be changed so that it has a purpose. I don't think I'm crazy when I say that nobody really uses either Easy 8 or Rifle Company nowadays.
18 Jan 2019, 22:20 PM
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i would love if the ez8 got the hvap rounds m4c got, maybe nerf the normal rounds pen to compensate
I can't remember offhand but I think the ez8's normal rounds are already close to M4C's HVAP. So the time spent toggling between them isn't worth it really I would think. Plus I don't find the idea of a slightly different 76MM to be all that exciting.
18 Jan 2019, 23:00 PM
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nobody uses rifle company cause the ability are bad, not cause the easy 8 is bad
It's not because Jackson got buffs - it's because it now no longer has a role because of those buffs and overall USF changes. I'm not saying the the Easy 8 has to be straight buffed necessarily but it needs to be changed so that it has a purpose. I don't think I'm crazy when I say that nobody really uses either Easy 8 or Rifle Company nowadays.
and there is another thread like this please use that one
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18 Jan 2019, 23:33 PM
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If you comparing Ez8 with OKW's Pz4 (Which has same cost as Ez8), I don't think we need to buff Ez8.
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19 Jan 2019, 00:24 AM
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I agree with the Comet like idea but as other people have said, the whole commander just feels lackluster in general.
19 Jan 2019, 01:38 AM
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P O W E R C R E E P WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
1. The EZ8 in terms of stats is a great tank. We just keep buffing the units around it so far over the top it makes the tank seem subpar.
2. Its doctrine is very meh.
IMO it's mostly #2 that keeps me from using it. It's what keeps me from using it, that's for sure.
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19 Jan 2019, 08:51 AM
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Again people who dont really play USF in automatch come to defend badly designed/balanced USF units. Imagine if OST got: 120F P4 just like now, 140F Panther that would be identical but with slightly more armor and much worse AI and 125F Tiger that would be somewhere in between. Does that sound fun? What was the point of adding 76mm sherman if its so simillar to HE sherman and E8? And i say it again: its not about buffing these units, its about making them fill different roles. We DONT NEED 3 sherman wariants in 110-140 fuel range.
19 Jan 2019, 09:37 AM
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I think that giving it buffs just because another unit (Jackson) got better, is weird logic.E8 being doctrinal and actually perform worse than the regural sherman is just sad its shell is so bad vs infrnatry sometiems being worst thatn a panther
19 Jan 2019, 09:38 AM
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Again people who dont really play USF in automatch come to defend badly designed/balanced USF units. Imagine if OST got: 120F P4 just like now, 140F Panther that would be identical but with slightly more armor and much worse AI and 125F Tiger that would be somewhere in between. Does that sound fun? What was the point of adding 76mm sherman if its so simillar to HE sherman and E8? And i say it again: its not about buffing these units, its about making them fill different roles. We DONT NEED 3 sherman wariants in 110-140 fuel range.i suggest buffing E8 performance not vs tanks but infrantry its just sooo bad
19 Jan 2019, 10:06 AM
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E8 being doctrinal and actually perform worse than the regural sherman is just sad its shell is so bad vs infrnatry sometiems being worst thatn a panther
That is simply untrue:
Panther scatter more and has far less AOE. Note that Ez8 has around 480% more kill radius...
19 Jan 2019, 10:55 AM
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btw is this with the recent nerf on E8 moving scatter? And i know panther costs more but E8 pen sometimes fails big time even vs p4 from OST "sometiems" and its infrantry should be at least slitly better than panthers or at least p4 for 140 unit that is a tank of all trades
That is simply untrue:
Panther scatter more and has far less AOE. Note that Ez8 has around 480% more kill radius...
19 Jan 2019, 11:14 AM
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Don't change the tank, change the commander layout.
19 Jan 2019, 11:46 AM
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btw is this with the recent nerf on E8 moving scatter? And i know panther costs more but E8 pen sometimes fails big time even vs p4 from OST "sometiems" and its infrantry should be at least slitly better than panthers or at least p4 for 140 unit that is a tank of all trades
It is not recent and it is not a real "nerf".
Ez8 did not have any penalty in scatter unlike most other vehicles, it was imply brought in line.
Ez8 has Penetration near 200, Penetration mid 165, Penetration far 155
It has 86% chance to penetrate at Ostheer PzIV max range, the PIV in contrast has 51%.
Their MG are about the same while Ez is firing at weaker squads.
The Ez has more penetration, armor, HP about equal Mg, while the PzIV has better AOE in main gun.
If you perform a similar test where the tanks are moving Ez8 will probably do much better than the Panther or I you test with Panther vs riflemen and Ez8 vs grenadiers.
Imo the unit is quite cost efficient.
21 Jan 2019, 04:50 AM
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Dont change the E8, rather:
Change the sprint so that it doesn't have a stupid debut after it and costs more to use then the sprint that okw and wehr get (with some okw units getting sprint with vet)
Change the flares so there not as expensive, because with a muni heavy faction I would much rather spend it on BARs or the WP barrage, or even replace it with rifle defence as the commander is based around rifles
If you make those two ability better I would use rifle company a lot more, as otherwise you get it JUST for the flamethrowers and E8, with now because of a much better armour company is pointless
Change the sprint so that it doesn't have a stupid debut after it and costs more to use then the sprint that okw and wehr get (with some okw units getting sprint with vet)
Change the flares so there not as expensive, because with a muni heavy faction I would much rather spend it on BARs or the WP barrage, or even replace it with rifle defence as the commander is based around rifles
If you make those two ability better I would use rifle company a lot more, as otherwise you get it JUST for the flamethrowers and E8, with now because of a much better armour company is pointless
21 Jan 2019, 06:24 AM
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E8 It not Problem
But rifle company It Problem
IF you think Tier up to comet I Suggest ADD WP Round (Company with WP Arty Main Spotlight Tank should have it too? )
But rifle company It Problem
IF you think Tier up to comet I Suggest ADD WP Round (Company with WP Arty Main Spotlight Tank should have it too? )
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