How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2019, 19:07 PMgbem

yes but pathfinders cost like ~290mp... at 250mp theyre more comparable to I&R paths which only get 1 sniper... the comparison is hence biased

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2019, 14:33 PMgbem

please tell me how 3 elite carbines are better than 3 grenadier rifles at mid to long range?

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 05:52 AMgbem

they arent better than 3 grenadier rifles like how sanders makes it seem... soo his argument is moot

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2019, 13:51 PMSander93

Forgetting that they come with 3 elite carbines?

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 01:24 AMthedarkarmadillo

IR paths are much more different because they are also fire support. Their lower combat performance is offset by calling down hell fire, or making the enemy think you are. JLI are fucking strong, but they are not going to level a block. You don't get IR for the sniper you get it for the arty. You get regular paths for the crit and you DEFINITELY get JLI for the crit.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 08:54 AMSander93

And it is, exactly in the way I just explained to you.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 09:27 AMgbem

it isnt... getting into cqc vs vs OKW is suicidal because of sturms + stg spam... meanwhile staying at a distance vs USF is perfectly doable and preferrable because of the long range of the grenadier rifle + superiority of the G43 sniper...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 08:52 AMgbem

this statement implies that 3 elite carbines is advantageous to the 3x grenadier rifles...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 12:38 PMStug life

they are as advantageous as 3 kar 98, what are u on ? they have much better dps at mid-close range (it becomes double the dps at close range) and a 0.4 difference at long range

so yes they are as advantageous as green rifle

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 16:43 PMLoopDloop

Even setting that aside the far superior g43 the jaegers have means that they usually do a lot more damage though. It crits at almost double the HP and has better accuracy and almost completely ignores cover. And jaegers get a 50% accuracy ambush bonus too.

On an unrelated note as well, jaegers get way too many RA bonuses for a "support" squad, further contributing to thier overperformance. They aren't supposed to be mainline infantry but all that stuff makes them extremely capable even just by themselves, and even better with any other support.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 18:48 PMStug life

no the jager sniper rifle is strictly worse than the para scoped garand, they almost double it in dps and the para gets 2 off those, thats why i said reduce the threshold to 50% and give them another sniper rifle (if u refer to g 43 they don't have it after upgrade)

before u talk check stats i already posted the google doc so u have no excuse other than being biased and telling lies to nerf units to the ground

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 22:17 PMLoopDloop

DPS isn't the main point of the g43. The thing doesn't need dps since it crits models who have been hit by 2 kar98k shots.

Play the game instead of cherry picking the few points that are on your side of the argument and see how much they overperform.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 23:08 PMStug life

and as I said lower the threshold to 50%

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 23:20 PMLoopDloop

Well that would obviously change things a lot.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 09:21 AMSelvy289

This I agree with, the only problem is the amount of munition dependent the commander is.

Want paratroopers? Spend 80muni and get a unmanned at gun with it, upgrade your paratroopers with a further 100/120 munitions (and if you loose the paratroopers or want more, you have to invest the munitions again).

Butterfly bombs, spend 110 munitions.

Raid tactics (that no one ever uses), checked: 40 munitions.

Pathfinders artillery 140 munitions.

And then you have bars 60 munitions (almost a mandatory upgrade).

So all up 470-490 munitions if you use all abilities excluding bar upgrades.

Thats 4 out of 5 abilities needing munition investment (technically 5 out of 6 because you have to upgrade the paratroopers).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2019, 02:01 AMgbem

yes they have a 115% hit chance and 70% crit chance... slightly worse than snipers but hey the soviet sniper was a 2 man sniper with a slightly worse sniper... meanwhile JLI dont get the same treatment from you axis thugs




you just suck... the worst performing faction ingame needs nerfs :v

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2019, 09:57 AMKatitof

Yeah, lets nerf THE weakest faction in game, that'll show them!

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2019, 14:43 PMPremium_Hacker

Yeah, worst performing faction lmao. Tell me so wise one, why can british have more than one churchill, and germans can only have a single underperforming tiger. What about the infantry section spam that barely drop off any dps regarding range. I suck? Maybe you just are ill-informed and ignorant, buut hey thats trolls for ya.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2019, 14:45 PMPremium_Hacker

Have you played aganist them in 2v2s or 1v1s?

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2019, 23:23 PMStug life

your logic : reeee one sniper rifle with 75% crit threshold is op, 2 sniper rifle at 40% are completely fine
> proceed to nerf to 50 %
Reee it’s still op
U know u can’t sound more biased then that right ?