Motherland HMGs rework

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2019, 06:15 AMBaba

Change nothing - increase price. 5 maxims per soviet in a 2v2 are enough. give them 5 dshks instead and i will uninstall
it is by definition a "support weapon" and you want to treat it as the mbt. just stahp, please.. for the love of Allah! iwant them old demo charges back

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2019, 10:31 AMKatitof

That's rather obviously out of question as 6 man squads are soviet theme.
Plus, it would really be overpowering to make up for deathloop, which is impossible to remove, so that's a bad idead from get go.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2019, 00:20 AMdistrofio

-Dshk HMG has e better weapon profile to become unique in the actual game scheme. Being said this i suggest the following rework:
Rework Dshk as a "self protected" HMG with high calliber munition. Aestetically it already has a shield cover, when it sets up it gets green cover in the direction its aiming. This could help to deal frontal assaults (as they happen with maxims) and also become a posible way to hold off LVs as Dshk has big calliber and an ability dedicated to that.
Since Dshk has its firing arc so narrow, flanking it is possible and also necessary since it could resist so much frontally. They wont be spammed because it would take a bu**load of them to cover big areas.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2019, 15:39 PMProxyFox

Suppression buff is all it needs, I hate axis infantry charging maxim without being suppressed and killing the gunner which cause the death loop

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 03:39 AMMakiesKurisu

How about making it an offensive weapons rather than a defensive one. Better dmg（like vickers）, less supperssion, less set up time. Just a big gun with 6-men and cons to reinforce the crew.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 09:57 AMmortiferum

That was what it was before the nerf.

A 240mp, 6 man, instant (practically instant) set up cheese weapon that pins OKW into the base in under 3 minutes. No thanks.


*Then again those were also the days of volks shreck blob, call in KV-8s and other horrible things.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 10:40 AMMakiesKurisu

not exactly, they got better supperssion then. What I mean is adjusting them to a mainline inf with an arc of fire.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 12:33 PMLago

I think it needs to be decided what the acceptable minimum suppression for an HMG is, then set all HMGs to at least that. I think that's about MG34 level.

Making HMGs different is all well and good, but the super low suppression HMGs like the Vickers and Maxim aren't fit for purpose. An HMG needs to suppress well. There are plenty of other attributes (cost, armour piercing, arc width, bonus damage, abilities) you can dial up and down to make them different to each other.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 12:25 PMgriezell

id say maxim supresses at the 1st burst 1 unit.

mg42 can supress the whole blob but and the end of its full burst.

there is your balance

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 12:33 PMLago

I think it needs to be decided what the acceptable minimum suppression for an HMG is, then set all HMGs to at least that. I think that's about MG34 level.

Making HMGs different is all well and good, but the super low suppression HMGs like the Vickers and Maxim aren't fit for purpose. An HMG needs to suppress well. There are plenty of other attributes (cost, armour piercing, arc width, bonus damage, abilities) you can dial up and down to make them different to each other.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2019, 15:18 PMdistrofio

This is not a Mg42/Maxim balance thread, pls stay on topic
The only reason i prupose maxims/Dshk reworks its to bring it par to other mgs in a unique and different way, i dont want maxim spam neither maxim trash