Let's talk about the scott

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 10:43 AMWiderstreit

In comparison with Priest they arn't op. I also don't understand the proble. s with scott.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:11 AMGrumpy

Relic just had a 2v2 tournament with COH2's largest cash prizes ever. Why wasn't there any of this top tier USF there? Nobody wanted the $10,000 that would've been so easy to take with double-Scott's and USF's shining late game?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 10:32 AMVipper

Read post 8 the comparison with mortar is completely false. (orange and apples one might say)

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2018, 12:41 PMVipper

scott and mortars are completely different units, with different mechanics.

Scott uses low trajectory while mortars high.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2018, 12:41 PMVipper

Their AOE is also different:
A Mortar kills entities only if the shot land on top of model since it has a kill radius of 0.

Scott on the other hand has 1.27 kill radius.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:46 AMblvckdream

Did you read his post? He said USF is bad overall because of bad early to mid game and being vulnerable to snipers and LV. Not sure how you come to the conclusion that he said USF would easily dominate. I sense a big learn to read issue here.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:43 AMblvckdream

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Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 12:09 PMWiderstreit

In a discussion where CPU-standard is mention as example I think I am allowed to speak. Never had problems versus him.

And yes, Scott can be annoying and it would be more balanced if it would be more like old StuG E. Less damage, slower shell etc. because its range and turret. Also the map is important.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:55 AMGrumpy

Yes, I read his posts. Did you read what I highlighted? Do you often see high level teams lose 2v2's in the early to mid game? Most of those games are 40-50 minute slug fests with most of the decisive action being with late game units. The only big learn to read issue here is yours.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:11 AMGrumpy

Relic just had a 2v2 tournament with COH2's largest cash prizes ever. Why wasn't there any of this top tier USF there? Nobody wanted the $10,000 that would've been so easy to take with double-Scott's and USF's shining late game?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 08:50 AMGrumpy

I remember the name CPU-Non Standard from a couple matches. I don't remember anything else about him, but would bet that he isn't any higher ranked than you. Also, as OKW, you have plenty of options for dealing with Scotts.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 04:37 AMAntemurale

Funny, a while ago I asked in the State Office how to counter this unit. We relegated to OKW Raketen Cheese, JT/Elefant, Stuka CAS, or mass armor dives.

I would say that the M8A1 Scott is overpowered. It is too survivable for a unit with such a reliable main gun.

I propose that we remove the M8A1's ability to auto-fire and attack ground. To compensate for this, I would decrease the cooldown of both the regular and the smoke barrage.

This would increase the micro tax of using the M8A1, and remove its ability to kite infantry and so effectively target units on the move.

I would argue that this would reduce the overall destructive power of the Scott, but it would still remain survivable and effective as an artillery unit. It would also increase the possibility of counter-play, as you can react and move out of the barrage area.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 12:20 PMblvckdream

Ehh...CPU non standard is rank 85 and your best 2v2 rank seems to be 800+. Are you sure you know who you are talking about?? lol

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 12:35 PMSander93

So I guess the fact that (double) OKW was picked a lot in the tourney would indicate the Brummbär was fine and didn't need any nerfs? Besides, with top tier Axis tank micro being so deadly the USF late game simply can't do without Jacksons or the Pershing. In slower paced games (i.e. 95% of the games) ATGs and maybe one Jackson is sufficient AT and Scotts see a lot more usage there.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:51 AMElSlayer

I disagree.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:51 AMElSlayer

The only difference here is shell flight time. Low trajectory gives Scott posibility to hit moving targets if you use attack ground. Besides, if you try to do barrage from behind shot blocker, Scott uses high trajectory.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:51 AMElSlayer

Still both units are single shot indirect fire with low AoE, low range and high rate of fire (distinctive from MLRS and howitzers/field guns, but still both fall under same category of gun performance). Both capable of performing HE and smoke barrage.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:51 AMElSlayer

Don't know why you try to argue about semantics so much. Looks like kinda waste of time to me because it doesn't add anything to actual argument.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 11:51 AMElSlayer

A bigger mortar is still mortar, I guess?
And of course it should be bigger, because of 70 fuel and top tier requirements.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 13:51 PMddd

Since we all feel bad about squads wiped by indirect fire i hope you dont forget to nerf pwerfer and stuka wiping whole squads and weapon teams in one barrage. You are not this biased to request nerfs for a dead faction while defending op units that are present in every 2v2+ game, right?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 13:53 PMElSlayer

Works as intended.
Same with Scott.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 13:51 PMddd

Since we all feel bad about squads wiped by indirect fire i hope you dont forget to nerf pwerfer and stuka wiping whole squads and weapon teams in one barrage. You are not this biased to request nerfs for a dead faction while defending op units that are present in every 2v2+ game, right?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 14:01 PMddd

Stuka and pwerfer every game wiping squads left right and center is fine.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 14:36 PMSander93

If we're gonna have to mention and discuss all similar units whenever a single unit is brought up, it will become impossible to have a solid discussion and the forum would become a complete mess.

I personally think rocket arty in general should have their veterancy cooldown bonusses removed and regarding the Stuka I'd like to see a more spread out AOE that does reliable area damage rather than wiping entire squads. But this discussion is about the Scott. If you want to have a discussion about the Stuka or Panzerwerfer, make a thread about it.


Nobody claimed this. It's off-topic.