USF Tech Changes Mod Changelog

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 20:08 PMSander93

I think 0CP Pathfinders are great for more diverse and less awkward compositions, and they help early USF with a long range squad that can also scout OST's MG42. I don't think balance is much of an issue as they are very expensive, OKW shouldn't have any trouble with them and Grens will win low-med range engagements.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 18:46 PMVipper

Now take into account the armor values of Ostheer light vehicles and allied vehicles and you will see that 0.5 can easily counter them at vet 0 while HMG-42 need vet 1 and HMG-34 has a hard time even at vet 1.

This not a simply case of homogenization. The 0.50 was designed as a light vehicle soft counter because it was expensive to get both 0.50 and an ATG, now that is no longer the case and there is little reason for vet 0 AP round option.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 20:57 PMRubberluck

You're neglecting the fact that the MG42 is a T0 unit and has sufficient time to hit vet 1 by the time allied light vehicles hit the field. Moving the .50cal's AP rounds to Vet 1 is a no-go because then you have to try to vet it against the already present threat of light vehicles after having to wait to tech to it in the first place. And lets be honest, the .50 cal's pen doesn't damage much beyond the half-trak.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 20:39 PMVipper

Pathfinder cost 290 and 6 pop and come with 2 scope m1, 2 m1a1 paratrooper carbine, cloak, 50 vision, antennas so they are not very expensive.

You also seem to underestimate the critical kills and how they can become cancerous once weapon that "scatter" damage like the BAR become available when in numbers.

Shouldn't Pathfinder and JLI have a similar pop instead of 6/8?

Shoundn't I&R Pathfinder also come at CP 0?

Imo if the CP goes down to 0 the Pathfinders should become cheaper and spawn with m1 garand and have scoped m1 locked behind some tech (Bar?/LT?)

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 20:52 PMKatitof

JLI work well on their own and even have access to nades.
Pathfinders don't.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 21:04 PMVipper

Ability comparison:

Imo Air supply operation is far better than the 0.5/M1 ATG and this abilities should be looked at.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 21:09 PMSander93

2 snipers and 2 carbines is exactly what makes them counterable early on when they have no other squads to hide behind, as both Volks and Grens should win all low-med range engagements. The critical kills with BARs is no more an issue than it already is (or isn't) because BARs will only come after 1cp anyway.

IR Pathfinders have a lot of other good traits and a less awkward position in build order (no Paras to clutter the composition) so they are fine at 1CP imo.


Turning the snipers into an upgrade like new JLI is an option, but it would require a lot of work as their stock weapons would have to be changed (4x Paras carbine would slaughter Grens) and it might be confusing for players.

JLI are also a lot better (especially in revamp) with the sniper critting at 75% so they're good at higher popcap.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 23:57 PMmiragefla

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Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 23:22 PMKirrik

Why was Airborne looked at but Recon was ignored in 1.1 despite the fact these doctrines work very similar to each other?
Put the Greyhound behind tech tree instead of CP-lock, it comes way too late to be useful.