insta kill mines

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 19:32 PMSkysTheLimit

The riegel heavy mine doesnt actually 1 hit kill those tanks. The teller is the one that does, even though it really shouldn't.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 21:04 PMinsaneHoshi

Because they cost more and ost doesn't get general purpose mines.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 21:26 PMThe amazing Chandler

Because of people that want to have it both ways.
Its ok that 50 munitions without a mouse click insta destroy a 270 Manpower + 70 fuel vehicle but it was NOT ok that 90 munitions + 1 click (old demos) could insta wipe a 200 - 360 manpower unit.
Try to argue against this logic, I tried and I failed

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 21:26 PMThe amazing Chandler

Because of people that want to have it both ways.
Its ok that 50 munitions without a mouse click insta destroy a 270 Manpower + 70 fuel vehicle but it was NOT ok that 90 munitions + 1 click (old demos) could insta wipe a 200 - 360 manpower unit.
Try to argue against this logic, I tried and I failed

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 21:53 PMTobis

You can always sweep for your one light vehicle. You can't always sweep for your 8 infantry squads.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 21:53 PMTobis

You can always sweep for your one light vehicle. You can't always sweep for your 8 infantry squads.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 23:17 PMTobis

My point is the demo was a much bigger deal, they are not on the same level of cancer.

I'd like to see the ohk removed from teller if they adjust the LV meta. Right now in 1v1 LVs are king, ostheer goes mobile defense for a puma in 9/10 games. Soviets go for a t70 in every single matchup. Nerfing the ohk on the teller would make even more players rush for mobile defense puma. It would have a negative impact on the meta. It's kinda cheesy but the meta right now requires it.

The t70 and flame ht need to be less effective against retreating units. Once that is done tellers can lose the OHK.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 01:37 AMthedarkarmadillo

What would swapping the teller and Riegel look like? Reduce the damage a bit but guaranteed immobilize (or at the VERY least heavy engine damage). Being able to OHK with a mine would be alright if it requires a fuel investment as well as being planted. Or maybe make the 222 lay it then instead of the HT so flametrack might be less of a shoe in.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 01:37 AMthedarkarmadillo

What would swapping the teller and Riegel look like? Reduce the damage a bit but guaranteed immobilize (or at the VERY least heavy engine damage). Being able to OHK with a mine would be alright if it requires a fuel investment as well as being planted. Or maybe make the 222 lay it then instead of the HT so flametrack might be less of a shoe in.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 03:01 AMShadowLinkX37

I can tell you what the forums would look like... Same as USF before they got their mines...

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 04:06 AMthedarkarmadillo

How do you mean? They would still have a mine, just it wouldn't insta gib. If anything it would leave Ost in a better spot later game if the snare was heavier. Pak is as viable as ever and Shreks did get a cost reduction making them and mining slightly more plausible. Instagibs are bad if there is no/limited counterplay (even the mighty demo that I think is garbage now should have simply had models capped like mines do so it could still be a blob buster but not a squad wiper)

Reduce the damage and swap the effects, make them a bit cheaper (40mu?) and I think in my mind scenario things would be alight. You still don't want to hit them, but hitting them isn't a massive power swing then. I've killed and had lights killed on debut. It's massive setback if it works and a massive drain if it doesn't on the OST. Too much rides on that imo.