Buff Ostwind

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2018, 14:26 PMdistrofio

Ostwinds in WW2 were really rare (even the game says it). Why not make them doctrinal?
*WARING Im about to go wild.
Make it docrinal. Put it in T2, same cost, Or T3 with a cost reduction (make it 60F). Buff its AA. Buff a little its suppression (not its damage). New ability: Gets static, cant target grownd, double range (to shoot planes)

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2018, 05:57 AMthedarkarmadillo

Most king tigers were abandoned, but it's the Americans that can bail out not the OKW.
Is-2 out produced King tigers but one is in only 2 doctrines and the other is in every single doctrine okw will ever get...

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2018, 18:06 PMSuperHansFan

Shermans and open top TD's like Jackson were easiest tanks to escape in the entire war, while US and british tank losses were high the crew usually got out safe. Vehicles like the Hetzer or Jagdpanzer were suicide wagons in comparison, so it makes sense US got emergency crew disembark and not OKW.

If anything crew safety got worse for the Germans latewar with all these weird and cramped assault gun varieties making up the bulk of their armour.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 06:24 AMStorm Elite

Wasn't anti-air changed at some point to basically be random chance for each shot of shooting down a plane outright?

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Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 08:42 AMVipper

The planes mechanics was to be changed in Fall balance from critical to HP, I have not checked if it was implement thou.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2018, 23:42 PMSully

It should definitely be brought up to par in the anti aircraft department. Units such as the Centaur, OKW Flak HT, and Sov Quad HT really outshine it.

I'm not sure it needs a damage buff, but it could certainly be cheaper for what you get.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2018, 19:13 PMdistrofio

I was just shooting ideas. Take account I said Ostwind will be doctrinal and wont be AI effective as much
That bulletin is for OKW IIRC.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 11:26 AMd0ggY

My Solution would be, if i understood correctly, to increase rate of fire a bit, so it could cause the critical to shoot down the plane, and one guard squad can't take it on all alone

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 13:21 PMTactical Imouto

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wild claims, got a playercard to weigh in?

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 11:26 AMd0ggY

As usual, i have to agree with mostly what you said.

But i think making it cheaper might be the wrong way.

Let's compare to Centaur.
Planes get shot down mostly in 1 Burst of it's main gun through high rate of fire.
The Anti-Infantry capability of the Centaur is still strong, does decent Damage and Modelwipes.

Now when i look at the ostwind from my experiences since the last changes of it.

Planes RARELY get shot down. And mostly at least one plane can go through the whole time of the Ability. May it be Sturmovik,Vanguard Airstrike or P47's as USF.

The Damage on Infantry is.. Questionable..

My Solution would be, if i understood correctly, to increase rate of fire a bit, so it could cause the critical to shoot down the plane, and one guard squad can't take it on all alone

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 16:14 PMShadowLinkX37

+1

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2018, 18:46 PMSuperHansFan

it provides basically the same AI ability as centaur

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 11:28 AMRMMLz

You can't be serious. Centaur has massive burst damage and wipes units much better than Ostwind

My opinion: AA is fine since axis already have MGs. I'd say increase far accuracy and reduce damage AoE a bit. Also could use a bit of fuel reduction.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 11:59 AMKatitof

Centaur was hit with pretty heavy nerfs.
There is a reason why its no longer used.

Its vet1 burst was also massively nerfed.

It still does damage and probably still is better then cromwell, but its not as good as you think it is.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 15:16 PMSully

A rate of fire buff could fix most of its issues, agreed.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 11:59 AMKatitof

Centaur was hit with pretty heavy nerfs.
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Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2018, 14:52 PMelchino7

Or just increase the chances to kill planes to basically 100%. Due to cost and performance, all main AA platforms should provide a no-no zone for planes. That been the case, i would go as further as making all mounted MG weaker in the AA department or directly removing it and just buffing the alternatives. No one upgrades the MG of a tank thinking they want better AA.

We should have Tier 1 AA which basically instakill planes and Tier 2 AA which will eventually kill planes (mostly against loiter) and have a reduced range.

T1: Bofor/Centaur, OKW commander defense emplacement/Flak HT, USF AAHT, M5 Quad and Ostwind.

T2: all non upgraded HT, M3, 222, OKW Flak HQ, M20, any other unit i might miss.