Very few cost effective counters to upgraded Grens

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 00:47 AMUGBEAR

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Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 10:16 AMOZtheWiZARD

There is a simple logic. Upgraded Grens have to remain stationary to be effective.
Everything that will force them to move, or is good at hitting stationary targets is effective against them.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 05:20 AMNullist

@Blovski: Why are you comparing Vet 0 units with Vet 2 units? Let alone upgraded Vet 2 units to Vet 0 units? Furthermore, is there a reason you omitted the survival bonus Sov inf gets with Vet 2 alongside the dmg bonus?

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 10:16 AMOZtheWiZARD

There is a simple logic. Upgraded Grens have to remain stationary to be effective.
Everything that will force them to move, or is good at hitting stationary targets is effective against them.

You throw molotov you force them to move, thus neglecting their dps, or they will burn in flames.
Mortar will wipe stationary targets with easy. With tanks you just keep them away from panzerfaust range and shoot to death. Or just drive over them.

There are plenty counters to Grens and the further game goes the more meaningless they become as game shifts towards heavy hitters.
Sorry but this topic is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
The statement is false as well.
The only one I agree is that LGM Grenadiers are better than vanilla Conscripts but this is obvious and was designed this way. You have many other ways to deal with LMG than Conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 14:35 PMThe_rEd_bEar

It is disturbing how biased you r post is, you obviously don't play Soviets. Molotov are useless against lmg Grens only a fool would do that, you'll lose half of the squad charging them, and then retreat wasting manpower and munitions.lmg German come early enough to delay the Russian early game and can delay when armor comes out, have tried you the Soviet mortar? It is useless, but you wouldn't know that since you always use the German Turbo mortars or mortar Halftrack.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 17:09 PMpewpewforyou

The only problem with molotovs is that the conscripts usually have to step out of cover to throw it. You'll lose half the squad almost immediately. If you happen to be fighting at a distance that's within the throw range, it's a pretty effective deterrent.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 14:35 PMThe_rEd_bEar

It is disturbing how biased you r post is, you obviously don't play Soviets. Molotov are useless against lmg Grens only a fool would do that, you'll lose half of the squad charging them, and then retreat wasting manpower and munitions.lmg German come early enough to delay the Russian early game and can delay when armor comes out, have tried you the Soviet mortar? It is useless, but you wouldn't know that since you always use the German Turbo mortars or mortar Halftrack.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 17:26 PMwooof

no need to exaggerate. we all know the lmg is good, but it doesnt do 240 damage "almost immediately". even within 10m it only does 17 dps. ill let you do the math.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 11:43 AMraw

In an environment involving nonstupid players, not having your grenadiers move is a trivial excercise. Additionally, range is everything in this game and soviets always have to close in, so it's very easy to predict where is moving when towards what.

Jump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 09:30 AMStephennJF

• Agree. Vanilla conscripts are to vulnerable. Molotovs or houses are your friends now.
  
• Some what disagree. Molotov is solid imo as it does force your opponent to move which lets you get in more damage. Keep in mind you don't always have to throw it, you can bait an opponent and make them react and quickly cancel.
  
• Disagree. Shocks destroy LMG grens, all you have to do is get close. Aim grenades on the biggest clump or the man with the LMG to buy yourself an extra 1-2 secs of no damage.
  
• Agree. Penals seems harder to use verse LMG.
  
• Agree. Guards don't fancy but hey they shouldn't imo.
  
• Agree. Snipers.
  
• Some what agree. Maxims actually do quite well but you have to give them a lot of forward vision and catch the Grens at a distance.
  
• Disagree. Mortars are actually good verse LMG. The key here is to fight from long-mid range with Conscripts and force a cover shoot out. Eventually that mortar will hit and once you get it to vet1, no capping Gren is safe.
  

I sort of play it like CoH1 Rifles vs Volks spam, which I felt was the Volk spam was the BO with most potential aggresion if America screwed up a single time. Very similiar to that of Gren spam with LMG. With my Rifles I would always play it defensively but the moment you find the opportunity I pounce on it. In this case though my BAR's are my Shock Troops. I have that mindset and it seems to work against a lot of the high ranked Ostheer players that primarily just spam Grens/LMG and extend to T2 or straight T3.

In the mid-game stages I feel as I said my Shocks handle them find, T3 anti-infantry vehicles and T2/T4 arty.