Feedback for Commander Revamppatch

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 20:57 PMShadowLinkX37

I'm saying doctrines should not have things that are all super effective. Everything should just be good enough that other doctrines are viable.

As far as the KV-2 goes, it is now a formidable threat that cannot be easily dealt with for the Axis. Axis don't have mark target in multiple commanders, and the only mark target they do have is a weaker variant and on a unit rather than the commander.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 20:59 PMEtherealDragon

Plus the 76 MM Shermans already low reload speed can get buffed to stupid low levels with combined arms active.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:09 PMRoastinGhost

I think Combined Arms is a pretty great idea for mechanized, since the synergy is much easier than in Heavy Cav. Kinda wish that company got something different now.

But what you said made me realize... -30% reload from vet 2, -20% from vet 3, up to -30% from Radio Net, -30% from Combined Arms? -110% reload speed possible?

"Americanizing" the 76mm Sherman's vet would probably be a good call (swap -30% reload with +30% accuracy).

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:06 PMKirrik

Making KV-2 into formidable threat like IS-2 or ISU is exactly what revamp patch is doing right, and why exactly it should be easy to deal with? Its 230 fuel 14 CP heavy tank, if its not threatening nobody will use it (which is exactly whats happening in current live game)

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 18:07 PMJohnSmith

KV2 needs slightly faster bullet speed and it'd be fine with the mod changes.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 18:33 PMTiger Baron

I'm still afraid that the changes to the Soviets will pretty much overshadow everything else.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:29 PMShadowLinkX37

Tell that to the current KT which is not getting a damn thing.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:11 PMKirrik

If you remove reload bonus, 76mm will legit become less than useful than stock 75mm Sherman. Reload is only thing making 76mm viable compared to 75mm considering armor/pen vise 76mm is barely better than stock one.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:06 PMBurts

Regarding ostheer defensive doctrine, the STUG E (an ASSAULT GUN) really doesn't fit there. Ostruppen thematically fit in quite well (reserve troops)...

Hull down made a lot more sense.. What about letting ostheer build beefed up bunkers that could say, be upgraded with all 3 features at once (mg, reinforce, medic).. For being a 'defensive doctrine' it surely lacks anything to do with 'defense'. An ability for pioneers to build a soviet style forward HQ would also make a lot of sense rather than the STUG E..

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:47 PMTiger Baron

Yeah, concrete bunkers with the same upgrades as CoH.

The command one could be a 4th one with retreat point, or just combine the medical and command bunker upgrades into one.

StuG E could probably be replaced by a command Panzer IV.

Replacing either the Pak 43 or Sector Arty with advanced bunkers would make more sense.

Especially if Osttruppen are given an AT rifle package that would round out the lack of AT if the Pak43 is replaced.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 20:59 PMEtherealDragon

Infantry in proximity to friendly vehicles will gain -20% Reload, +30% Accuracy, and +35% sight.
Vehicles in proximity to friendly infantry will gain +35% sight, -30% Reload, and +5 range.

It's actually a rather good ability that's underused/underrated IMO. The interesting thing with Mechanized is that with the halftrack you can pop combined arms and turn it into a swag wagon with infantry inside. Plus the 76 MM Shermans already low reload speed can get buffed to stupid low levels with combined arms active.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:50 PMLemonJuice

what? at rifle ostruppen would round out the lack of AT? youre gonna pay manpower, muni, and popcap for a unit that can only deal with light vehicles and gets massacred by tanks and infantry?

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 21:45 PMjagd wölfe

They should at least try to include some KT changes like for the british snare.
The thing is goddamn useless....no is even self damaging.

Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2018, 03:40 AMMcq_knight

Agreed on kt, needs love.

Also with command panther, can we look at dropping the exclusivity with kt? If the king is going to remain lame at least allow a cp to eventually bring him back to glory (with literally 30+ mins of use for v5).

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 22:32 PMTiger Baron

You'd rather have a gun that gets insta nuked when spotted or a million guys some of which are armed with AT rifles and sometimes actually hit something?

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 22:32 PMTiger Baron

You'd rather have a gun that gets insta nuked when spotted or a million guys some of which are armed with AT rifles and sometimes actually hit something?

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2018, 18:33 PMTiger Baron

I'm still afraid that the changes to the Soviets will pretty much overshadow everything else.

They got a new cool ass and practical unit in the form of the commissar, forward retreat point along with him, a Brit sort of Forward HQ, an improved KV-2 and M42, I mean, what's not to love exactly?

While the Ost just gets buffed StuG Es and 5 man squads and that's about it.

Neither German Infantry nor Defensive Doctrine will be as picked as something with let's say a Tiger in it because it's more useful.

Adding some new practical and useful toys to the Ost like a forward retreat point and let's say the Urban Assault Grenadiers would go a long way in improving the balance and making these picks worthwhile in a match and not occupying the 3rd commander slot just in some extremely rare situation in which you could utilize the Osttruppen and trenches or tank traps.

TL;DR -

Soviets have 2 more very useful commanders while the Ost just gets some let's say, rather small in comparison improvements all around, and I don't think I'm the only one in thinking that, at least I hope so.

And I would like to again take the opportunity make the proposal for Osttruppen to gain an AT rifle package to either replace the MG42 upgrade or be an additional exclusive upgrade that is also locked behind tech and also locks out the Panzerfaust, reason being that they are completely useless at even fending off vehicles while in buildings (which they will most often be in) even with the Panzerfaust being present.

Another thing is the addition of some bunker improves like a Pioneer upgrade and a retreat point for command bunkers, reasons of course being that the Ostheer is the only Army basically handicapped with repairs, they only have their Pioneers to repair with and that's about it, and also no retreat point, which the Soviets will now have in comparison.

Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2018, 08:31 AMLemonJuice

yes, id much rather have an emplacement that forces the enemy to go a certain doctrine rather than have ostruppen meatbags that cannot hold the line