Feedback for Commander Revamppatch

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:21 PMAndy_RE

Guys, after reading feedback, I've added some extra context in bold above.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:14 PMSander93

Psssst allow it to lock down territory a.k.a. OKW caches. Perhaps fuel only to boost the commander's armor theme. This would greatly extend its use into the late game.

But I kinda agree with the others. The 223 would have to come straight up (0CP) so it can act the same as a UC or a Scout Car as an early game harassment unit. Otherwise I don't see much use for it.


What are the team's thoughts about the suggested Panzergrenadiers/Panzerfusiliers call-in ability instead?

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:27 PMAndy_RE

Oh and Pfussies for Elite Armoured were discussed to death. We spent a great deal of time talking through various proposals for them. Ultimately we decided not to pursue as it was very divisive across the group. We very much expect it would be equally as controversial in public.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:27 PMAndy_RE

Yeah defs an interesting idea. We have already discussed a cache-like ability as a possibility. We didn't include in my post as we wanted to keep the initial proposal streamlined. Still an option though, so is 0cp, however, this unit would be better in combat that either the UC or scout car as things currently stand.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:27 PMAndy_RE

Oh and Pfussies for Elite Armoured were discussed to death. We spent a great deal of time talking through various proposals for them. Ultimately we decided not to pursue as it was very divisive across the group.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 20:49 PMAndy_RE

223 stuff

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:35 PMKirrik

Wait, what? Pfusiliers are divisive but a passive permanent vehicle maphack isnt?
I'm not sure if I'm even getting this right...
Completely passive Relay would be broken as hell since there would be zero counterplay, you'd probably never even know enemy has 223 it before your priests/sextons and ambulances get annihilated by pinpoint Axis arty 24/7

Fusiliers sound like thousand-times less controversial than that to me

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:33 PMSander93

I can't remember how the 221 performed but I thought a UC/SC with enough HMG/infantry support would be able to softcounter it because of its low armor value.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:40 PMAndy_RE

The range would be limited to promote interactivity and counter play, ie making positioning and finding a window to use it a thing.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:43 PMJae For Jett

The armor value, weapon performance, timing, and implementation of each ability can all be altered. It's less about the cost/performance/stats and more about the unit as a concept. Pop cap can be made negligible if need be. Cost can be made really low if need be. Signal relay can be made timed or passive; limited range or mapwide. Different abilities or upgrades to the abilities can be tied to vet. It can get shared vet, or not. I just think too many people are assuming that this unit will be things (a pop cap burden, a "hide away" unit, etc.) that it doesn't necessarily have to be if the numbers and implementation are worked out properly.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 21:56 PMLoopDloop

Is there any reason why stormtroopers don’t get the commando/sniper camo? It seems to me like they should be fairly equal in terms of performance and role but commandos are clearly much better, due to the superior camo they get.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 22:01 PMJae For Jett

Its something I've been pushing for since, iirc, the first iteration after storms were changed. It hasn't made it to the mod for whatever reason (I havent really heard much disagreement with it), but ill try to make sure the issue is confronted for 1.5.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 22:07 PMLoopDloop

While we’re at it the recon support paratroopers almost never get the ambush buff on their bazookas because the models physically turning takes them out of camouflage and they get shot at or fire their carbines before they go back in camo and lose the damage/pen bonuses they’re supposed to get. I know it’s probably out of scope but I think it’s worth mentioning. It’s just an issue with the type of camo they have I think.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 22:24 PMMrBananaGrabber.

Someone mentioned in a stream that it would be great if the recon support paras got the same AT sticky bomb that the Cavalry Riflemen have, as part of their zook upgrade. Which sounds like a really great idea to me, but I asusme that couldn't be added as that's beyond the remit of the patch.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 20:49 PMAndy_RE

Lots of good feedback guys.

Regarding the Hetzer ideas: Major overlap issues with JP4 aside, it's not something we are able to tackle with current limitations.

However, we really like Smartie's idea for a 223 in this doctrine. Apparently, a model exists. Here are a few designs we are thinking about.


1) Regular 223. This unit costs approx 250/ 20. Combat ability similar to a 221. Signal Relay and healing are upgrades, which can be mutually exclusive. Approximately 50MP + 10/15 fuel extra each

2) Stock signal 223, same combat ability. Signal relay comes as stock. Healing is a purchasable upgrade. Base cost 250/ 25. Healing cost 100 MP - 15 fuel

3) Full 223: Comes with signal and healing as stock. This option would likely cost Mp 325 Fuel 35/40

All options would be cp1.

Base signal range would be approx 100, with increased range with vet.

Additional Notes: We envisage signal relay being a passive in this instance.

There is also the advantage that there is counterplay to this version of Signal relay, by hunting the 223. Some people do not like the current version due to no counterplay/ interactivity.

Yes, in isolation, the signal relay itself will be weaker. However the trade off is this could be a cool utility vehicle, with good early game dps.

It would offer a more interactive and less cheesy way of using signal relay, whilst also offering t3 OKW builds a different form of healing.

Cost and pop cap 100% subject to change



Thoughts?

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2018, 23:10 PMStorm Elite

If it's actually going to be armored (not take bullet damage at all), unlike the 222, then I'm all for it.

If it's going to take bullet damage, I'm against it.