SOVIET COMMANDER REVAMP DISCUSSION

Actually I find it hilarious that there arent commanders with IS-2 and Guards combo when in real life IS-2 were only operated by and delivered to Guard Armies. So much for Relic's "historical realism"

For the lend lease tactics instead of the halftrack and guards with ppsh switch that with the B-4 203mm Howitzer. How about buffing the m4c sherman tank?

The idea behind the suggestion is that certain abilities combos should not be available to commander. Those include:
Powerful of maps (IL-2 bombing/loitering, mark target) and premium tanks/super heavies
Weapon upgrades and premium tanks/super heavies

imo following these rule will help balance abilities easier.

For more info here :
https://www.coh2.org/topic/81491/suggestions-for-commanders-revamp


Advanced Warfare Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept
0CP T-34/85 Medium Tank
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
5CP Conscript Repair Kit
10CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks

New ability:
"Advanced warfare" (toned combined arms)or "Tank infantry Cooperation" or "Fire and maneuver"

Anti-Infantry Tactics
9 CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank (with a premium and build-able from T4)
2CP Shock Troops
2CP Recon Overflight Radio intercept
3CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage IL-2 "Sturmovik Attacks"

Armored Assault Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept Reckon overflight
0CP T-34/85 Medium Tank(s)
7CP Vehicle Crew Repair Training
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks Fear Propaganda Artillery or Dhsk
13CP IS-2 Heavy Tank

Conscript Support Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank 9 CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
5CP Conscript Repair Kit
6CP Rapid Conscription
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike

Counterattack Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank
2CP Shock Troops
4CP Recon Flight
6CP For Mother Russia
8CP B-4 203mm Howitzer
as is.

Defensive Tactics
2CP PMD-6 Anti-personnel Mines
2CP DSHK 38 Heavy Machine gun
2CP HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad
2CP M-42 45mm light AT gun
2CP Tank Traps
New abilities:
"Defensive Tactics" PMD mines/tank traps/maybe DSHK bunker without mg as fighting position.
"Hold the line" bonuses for infantry in sector that "hit the ground"

Guards Motor Coordination Tactics
0CP T34/85 Medium Tank
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
2CP HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad
7CP Vehicle Crew Repair Training
8CP Mark Vehicle Armored Vehicle Detection


Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade Rapid Conscription
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks 10CP Sturmovik Attacks (single pass)

Lend Lease Tactics
0CP M4C Sherman
2CP DSHK 38 Heavy Machine gun 0.50 HMG
4CP Allied supply Drop
5CP Conscript Repair Kit
5CP M5 Half-track Assault Group
New abilities:
M15A1 AA Half-track
"Lend lease" Guards

Mechanized Support Tactics
2CP Anti-tank Gun Ambush Tactics
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
8CP Mark Vehicle
12CP IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike 10CP Sturmovik Attacks (single pass)
14CP ISU-152 Heavy Assault Gun
New ability
"AT fortifications" providing PMD-6 At mines and Tank traps to C.E.

NKVD Disruption Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept
4CP Recon Flight 3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
6CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
6CP Rapid Conscription
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks
New ability:
Commissar squad provides bonuses when conscripts use ourah

Partisan Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept
1CP Partisan Troops
2CP Partisan Tank Hunters
4CP Spy Network
8CP Mark Target
as is (only balance units)

Shock Motor Heavy Tactics
2CP Shock Troops
4CP Armored Vehicle Detection
5CP Conscript repair kit
12CP IL2 Precision Bombing Strike 6CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
14CP ISU152 Heavy Assault Gun

Shock Rifle Frontline Tactics
0CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank
2CP Anti-Tank Ambush Tactics
2CP Shock Troops
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage optional 6CP Booby Trap Territory
13CP IS-2 Heavy Tank
New ability:
Or with new ability "Not one step back" infantry is sector hit the dirt and gain bonuses.

Soviet Combined Arms Army
2CP Anti Tank Ambush Tactics
2CP Guard Rifle Infantry
4CP Recon Overflight 3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike

Soviet Industry Tactics
0CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank 4CP Recon Overflight
3CP Repair Station
4CP Allied supply Drop Engineer Salvage kits
7CP Vehicle Crew Repair Training
14CP KV-2 Heavy Assault Tank
New ability:
Soviet industry Can built only green T-34/76 from T4 (with no T3)

Soviet Reserve Army
2CP Partisan Tank Hunters
3CP Conscript Assault Package upgrade
5CP Conscript Repair Kit 8CP Mark Target
6CP Rapid Conscription
8CP ML-20 152MM Gun-Howitzer

Soviet Shock Army
2CP HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad
2CP Shock Troops
3CP Conscript Assault Package "hit the dirt"
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer 8CP B-4 203mm Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks

Tank Hunter Tactics
2CP Conscript PTRS Package "Penal battalion PTRS Package"
2CP PMD-6M light Anti-Vehicle mines
2CP Tank Hunter Ambush Tactics
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer "Engineer Salvage kits" or ""mark target"
10CP IL-2 PTAB Anti-Tank Bombing Run
New ability:
"AT fortifications" PMD-6 At mines and Tank traps to C.E

Terror Tactics
0CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank
2CP Shock Troops
6CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike
as is

Urban Defense Tactics
0CP Forward Headquarters
2CP M-42 45mm Light AT Gun
4CP Armored Vehicle Detection
6CP Booby Trap Territory
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage "IL-2 PTAB Anti-Tank Bombing Run" or "IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike" or "mark target".

The idea behind the suggestion is that certain abilities combos should not be available to commander. Those include:
Powerful of maps (IL-2 bombing/loitering, mark target) and premium tanks/super heavies
Weapon upgrades and premium tanks/super heavies

imo following these rule will help balance abilities easier.

For more info here :
https://www.coh2.org/topic/81491/suggestions-for-commanders-revamp


Advanced Warfare Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept
0CP T-34/85 Medium Tank
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
5CP Conscript Repair Kit
10CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks

New ability:
"Advanced warfare" (toned combined arms)or "Tank infantry Cooperation" or "Fire and maneuver"

Anti-Infantry Tactics
9 CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank (with a premium and build-able from T4)
2CP Shock Troops
2CP Recon Overflight Radio intercept
3CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage IL-2 "Sturmovik Attacks"

Armored Assault Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept Reckon overflight
0CP T-34/85 Medium Tank(s)
7CP Vehicle Crew Repair Training
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks Fear Propaganda Artillery or Dhsk
13CP IS-2 Heavy Tank

Conscript Support Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank 9 CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
5CP Conscript Repair Kit
6CP Rapid Conscription
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike

Counterattack Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank
2CP Shock Troops
4CP Recon Flight
6CP For Mother Russia
8CP B-4 203mm Howitzer
as is.

Defensive Tactics
2CP PMD-6 Anti-personnel Mines
2CP DSHK 38 Heavy Machine gun
2CP HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad
2CP M-42 45mm light AT gun
2CP Tank Traps
New abilities:
"Defensive Tactics" PMD mines/tank traps/maybe DSHK bunker without mg as fighting position.
"Hold the line" bonuses for infantry in sector that "hit the ground"

Guards Motor Coordination Tactics
0CP T34/85 Medium Tank
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
2CP HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad
7CP Vehicle Crew Repair Training
8CP Mark Vehicle Armored Vehicle Detection


Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade Rapid Conscription
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks 10CP Sturmovik Attacks (single pass)

Lend Lease Tactics
0CP M4C Sherman
2CP DSHK 38 Heavy Machine gun 0.50 HMG
4CP Allied supply Drop
5CP Conscript Repair Kit
5CP M5 Half-track Assault Group
New abilities:
M15A1 AA Half-track
"Lend lease" Guards

Mechanized Support Tactics
2CP Anti-tank Gun Ambush Tactics
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
8CP Mark Vehicle
12CP IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike 10CP Sturmovik Attacks (single pass)
14CP ISU-152 Heavy Assault Gun
New ability
"AT fortifications" providing PMD-6 At mines and Tank traps to C.E.

NKVD Disruption Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept
4CP Recon Flight 3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
6CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
6CP Rapid Conscription
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks
New ability:
Commissar squad provides bonuses when conscripts use ourah

Partisan Tactics
0CP Radio Intercept
1CP Partisan Troops
2CP Partisan Tank Hunters
4CP Spy Network
8CP Mark Target
as is (only balance units)

Shock Motor Heavy Tactics
2CP Shock Troops
4CP Armored Vehicle Detection
5CP Conscript repair kit
12CP IL2 Precision Bombing Strike 6CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
14CP ISU152 Heavy Assault Gun

Shock Rifle Frontline Tactics
0CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank
2CP Anti-Tank Ambush Tactics
2CP Shock Troops
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage optional 6CP Booby Trap Territory
13CP IS-2 Heavy Tank
New ability:
Or with new ability "Not one step back" infantry is sector hit the dirt and gain bonuses.

Soviet Combined Arms Army
2CP Anti Tank Ambush Tactics
2CP Guard Rifle Infantry
4CP Recon Overflight 3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike

Soviet Industry Tactics
0CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank 4CP Recon Overflight
3CP Repair Station
4CP Allied supply Drop Engineer Salvage kits
7CP Vehicle Crew Repair Training
14CP KV-2 Heavy Assault Tank
New ability:
Soviet industry Can built only green T-34/76 from T4 (with no T3)

Soviet Reserve Army
2CP Partisan Tank Hunters
3CP Conscript Assault Package upgrade
5CP Conscript Repair Kit 8CP Mark Target
6CP Rapid Conscription
8CP ML-20 152MM Gun-Howitzer

Soviet Shock Army
2CP HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad
2CP Shock Troops
3CP Conscript Assault Package "hit the dirt"
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer 8CP B-4 203mm Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks

Tank Hunter Tactics
2CP Conscript PTRS Package "Penal battalion PTRS Package"
2CP PMD-6M light Anti-Vehicle mines
2CP Tank Hunter Ambush Tactics
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer "Engineer Salvage kits" or ""mark target"
10CP IL-2 PTAB Anti-Tank Bombing Run
New ability:
"AT fortifications" PMD-6 At mines and Tank traps to C.E

Terror Tactics
0CP KV-8 Flamethrower Tank
2CP Shock Troops
6CP Fear Propaganda Artillery
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike
as is

Urban Defense Tactics
0CP Forward Headquarters
2CP M-42 45mm Light AT Gun
4CP Armored Vehicle Detection
6CP Booby Trap Territory
7CP Incendiary Artillery Barrage "IL-2 PTAB Anti-Tank Bombing Run" or "IL-2 Precision Bombing Strike" or "mark target".

Are you kidding? This is a huge nerf!

Are you kidding? This is a huge nerf!

1) the same approach applies to all faction
2) in order to increase commanders used they need to avoid having the "best" abilities bundle in one commander. If they are bundled either this commander will used most of the time and the stock units will not be balanced or these abilities will have to be nerfed, making weaker commander that have them, obsolete.
3)If soviet as faction proves weak one should then buff stock units or nerf axis stock units.

Take for example:

Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics
0CP KV-1 Heavy Tank
2CP Guards Rifle Infantry
3CP Conscript Assault Package Upgrade Rapid Conscription
8CP ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer
12CP IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks

All 4 of the 5 abilities are some of the best available to soviet and the ML-20 is decent. One will either have to nerf these abilities or swap them.

Lend lease tactics
0cp m4c sherman
2cp 120mm mortars
3cp conscript ptrs package
6cp B-4 203mm howtizer
12cp IS-152 assault gun

I don't know if this is balanced or not but I feel like it should be like this for lend lease tactics

IS-152 assault gun

This?

This?

whoops I think I missed spelled it. I meant to write ISU-152 Heavy Assault Gun sorry still new here.

Actually I find it hilarious that there arent commanders with IS-2 and Guards combo when in real life IS-2 were only operated by and delivered to Guard Armies. So much for Relic's "historical realism"

Well there's still this thing called balance to worry about and giving both elite AT/AI infantry and a tech-free superheavy is something they rightfully kept out of the game.

Actually I find it hilarious that there arent commanders with IS-2 and Guards combo when in real life IS-2 were only operated by and delivered to Guard Armies. So much for Relic's "historical realism"

Not to mention the equipment and armor given to German factions is late war while Soviets get early-mid.

It has always bothered me that for as well known as the Soviets were for massed artillery there is no off map Soviet arty that isn't a joke. I would love to see a sector arty ability on a Soviet commander on par with the other factions.

Not to mention the equipment and armor given to German factions is late war while Soviets get early-mid.

Show me Ostheer's late war equipment please, they are mainly use early-mid technology as Soviets. Even OKW's fancy stuff is mainly mid-war technology just discovered.

The only fraction don't fit is UKF, defensive emplacements as in early afrikan warfare but tank-technology of 1945+.

Soviet Industry Tactics

[3CP]
(Passive) Repair station.

Your engineers can now build repair facilities for a nominal cost.
Cost 125 manpower and 45 munitions to build.

[4CP]
(Passive) SVT-40 upgrade.

Conscript Squad get 3 rifles for 75 munitions.

[4CP]
Munition paradrop. Air support will automatically drop two munitions crate on the base territory.

Cost 30 fuel to drop 2 crates with 50 munitions.

[10CP]
IL-2 Strafe Run. The IL-2 Sturmovik will strafe the designated area along a line. Deals a high amount of damage to any enemy unit with powerful 23mm cannons, even able to slightly penetrate heavy German tanks.

Cost 90 munitions.

[14CP]
KV-2 Call-in unit. KV2 Heavy assault tanks can now be deployed. This fearsome beast can siege enemy defensive lines from far away, then close the distance and smash through any survivors.

Cost 630 manpower and 230 fuel.

Soviet Industry Tactics
Soviet Industry counts as the most militarized and powerful in whole world. Workers spend day and night to create weapons, tanks, mines, shells, bombs for their soldiers. Thus this leads Soviets to getting more powerful units and upgrades after a certain period of time. Build repair stations for your allies or yourself, get more resources from the Motherland and strike them with the new SVT-40 kits, "Flying tank" IL-2 Sturmovik and devastating KV-2 tank.


NKVD Rifle Disruption Tactics

0 CP - (Passive) Radio Intercept.

2 CP - Call-in Commisar Squad unit.
Cost 210 manpower. Has a Сommisar aura.

4 CP - Manpower Blitz.
Gives 500 manpower for 100 munitions and decreases manpower income on -50% for 30 seconds.

6 CP - Fear Propaganda Artillery.
Cost 90 munitions.

12 CP - Scorched Earth Policy.
Cost 150 munitions.

Defense tactics in the city. Instead of identifying armored vehicles, you can put the Calculation of 120-mm mortar PM-38. Instead of the 45 mm anti-tank gun M42 to supply Anti-tank traps.

I feel like people don't use the potensial of All-unit mode in all revamp threads. We could add some many fresh abilities and units that would make old commanders way more atractive.

There is too many abilities overlap and changing them would unlock other non-changed commander to make them more desirable (example: why would you go shock troops/ISU commander if you have guard/ISU commander etc.)

I feel like people don't use the potensial of All-unit mode in all revamp threads. We could add some many fresh abilities and units that would make old commanders way more atractive.

• Reminder that all proposed changes, must be preexisting units or abilities currently in the live game.
  

hello!
this is my commander revamp of: Shock Rifle Frontline Tactics
or you can just make a new commander.

2cp: Radio Intercept


Thanks to weak German cyphers, you can now learn when a new enemy building has been constructed as well as know when a fresh squad or vehicle has been called onto the battlefield.


2cp: Shock Troops

Shock Troops effective at close-range combat can be ordered onto the battlefield. Equipped with PPSh-41 submachine guns, bullet-resistant armor, smoke grenades and hand grenades, these hardened assault troops are dangerous close-quarters fighters.

3cp: Conscript PTRS Package
Sorry couldn't find a normal picture of it so just took this

conscripts can be equiped with ptrs

7cp: Incendiary Artillery Barrage

The designated area will be bombed with incendiary rounds, dealing heavy damage to any infantry in the area. It is best used to defend Victory Points or other strategic points, as the flames will force your opponent to move out of the capping zone. Does not affect tanks, although it can scare away repairing engineers.

13cp: IS-2 Heavy Tank

Named after the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, this tank is an absolute beast on the battlefield. Equipped with a massive 122mm main gun and heavily armored, this tank can take on any type of armor your opponent throws at you.

Those units are created from what it is in a game files. There is nothing new there just a rework of existing stuff

Lend lease tactics
0cp m4c sherman
2cp conscript ptrs package
6cp B-4 203mm howtizer
8cp IL-2 Strafe Run
12cp ISU-152 assault gun

Actually I find it hilarious that there arent commanders with IS-2 and Guards combo when in real life IS-2 were only operated by and delivered to Guard Armies. So much for Relic's "historical realism"

Dunno why you come up with historical realism here. Why does OKW have a doctrine with Sturmtiger? The Sturmtiger was NEVER used in combat by the germans.

And there is no IS-2 + Guards commander for the sake of balance. It'd be stupid if every doctrine was a swiss knife. It's already enough that Wehrmacht has one like that (Jaeger Armor).