Light Vehicle Meta needs to Stop

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2018, 17:11 PMcyso

Can't we limit machine guns/mortar/paks to two pieces at a time per player? Only if you lose one will a new slot become free, except for captured support weapons. Would it destroy the game that much? If it were designed like this from the beginning, nobody would complain afterwards, it is quite realistic that an army does not consist only of MGs. Of course, the possibilities would be slightly limited, but balancing would be much easier. I just had an idea.

We move the light vehicles a bit backwards and the UKF get snares.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 20:50 PMIncendiaryRounds

If UKF get snares, Ost should get non-doc puma. Tit for tat. All factions have a weakness (except USF)

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 20:54 PMMr.Flush

Usf have huge weaknesses. Soviets and Ostheer have little weaknesses.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 20:58 PMIncendiaryRounds

What's USF weaknesses? Poor late game even after all the Jackson buffs? Pershing is great. Mines non-doc to catch up over aggressive armor. Ostheer infantry IS and was ALWAYS crap since 2014. Has trouble against lights (just barely better than Brits). Soviets are almost faultless. They just have poor elite inf, but otherwise they are basically super strong as shown in the tournament.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 21:11 PMMr.Flush

They are weak to snipers, they do not have good indirect fire, Lieutenant lacks at, and they must use doctrines to access units other factions get without one.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 20:50 PMIncendiaryRounds

If UKF get snares, Ost should get non-doc puma. Tit for tat. All factions have a weakness (except USF)

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 22:48 PMKatitof

It doesn't work that way.

Sov and Ost are factions with very solid cores and varied unit that can adapt to everything without the need to resort to any single doctrine now.

3 other factions solely resolve around gimmicks and are stripped from basic units in favor of these gimmicks, however balance modders, not knowing better, got almost completely rid of these gimmicks, not giving anything in return - in USF case that resulted in buffed jackson and need to have T0 mortar.

In OKW case it changed AT volk blobs into AI volk blobs.

In Brit case it obliterated the faction and to admit to struggling against brits this patch is same as screaming "I R N00BLET" on in game chat.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 22:01 PMIncendiaryRounds

Thanks for telling everyone that your a noob. Just because USF doesn't have snipers doesn't mean it sucks. Name one light vehicle that isn't good at countering the sniper. YOu can easily outcap a sniper player as USF and rush a light out as USF has the fastest tech for lights (unless you count the AEC which only deals with armor.) And make the sniper a lot less useful.

Ostheer only has a mortar. For 1v1 the werfer isn't always accessible while USF gets mortar, pak howi, and scott. All three pack quite a punch. The scott is very accurate even on the move. The mortar has less scatter than the Ost mortar so the extra range micro is well worth it. Lieutenant has soft counters to lights. AAHT can beat a 222 and AP rounds from Mg. Zooks are still available.

Not sure what u mean by "must use docs for units." The only thing USF lacks non-doc is a super heavy. Ost lacks a true light non-doc.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 00:04 AMMr.Flush

I think that everyone agrees that usf, in the first 6 minutes, is weak to snipers. Even pro players were making jokes about it.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 01:30 AMIncendiaryRounds

Show me at least one quote from a top player. And like u said for the FIRST SIX minutes. Even if that was true, would u lose a game because 6 mins of an op sniper? LOL. You can't even win a single argument against me. For the first 6 u can simply ignore the sniper and outcap. Then when u have fuel advantage, rush vehicle and then take on the sniper when you're ready.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 05:49 AMEsxile

You should battle more ingame and less on the forum.

USF is the only faction you need to decide if you prefer being raped by infantry blob or by light vehicle when you're teching. Outdated design on a faction that need a serious overhaul.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 11:48 AMSeroth

This +1

I find Airborne commander very helpful here cause you can drop AT or .50 cal, but there is no non-doc way to finagle the problem

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 02:18 AMCODGUY

Anyone who says USF has no weaknesses hasn't spent any time playing USF. They were the worst faction in the game for a long time until the winter 2017 patch with the Jackson buff and then this last spring with the "screw Brits 2018 balance patch". Early game is a nightmare for USF between Volks blobs + Strumpioneer rushes and then God help you if your OST opponent rushes an MG42 into a building early because you aren't getting it out anytime soon.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 02:18 AMCODGUY

God help you if your OST opponent rushes an MG42 into a building early because you aren't getting it out anytime soon.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 09:02 AMLago

That's literally what the T0 mortar is for.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 14:47 PMCODGUY

Yes the mortar helps unless OST builds their own which they typically do and it counter batteries yours. Really some kind of flame weapon works best but USF doesn't get one.