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Counters to double Churchill(basic) as Okw?

19 Jun 2018, 15:01 PM
#21
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Chill. Attack the message, not the messenger. I mean it would be 2EZ to reduce the discussion to random player giving advice and reasons as to why GCS champion didn't manage to win with UKF in current patch :P

Reminder this thread is about how to effectively counter 2x Churchill (probably with AT IS support) as OKW.

The whole, Luvnest should had done XYZ in order to win, can be easily mirrored by his opponent doing XYZ tou counter the opposite. What i tried to show to OP, is that going that route, makes your army lacks flexibility.
19 Jun 2018, 15:44 PM
#22
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I think that goes for any build in general: exploit what it can't do if you can't beat it at its own game.
19 Jun 2018, 15:53 PM
#23
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Wait what...

Ullumulu is now calling luvnest´s play a big fail and tries to explain him how to play UKF properly despite not playing UKF and being rank 1000 with OKW despite playing OKW 24/7.

Ullumulu man...
19 Jun 2018, 16:07 PM
#24
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Jun 2018, 15:44 PMLago
I think that goes for any build in general: exploit what it can't do if you can't beat it at its own game.


This kind of logical thinking process is banned from this subforum :banned:

The real issue is identifying it
19 Jun 2018, 16:10 PM
#25
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The ulumulu bashing is over 9000 here. Lay off him. He's not perfect but stop pretending Luvnest is. He made critical mistakes that game and Talisman is a patient player. The churchills in that game were definatly not the issue though, they got wipes and imense bleed.

On topic: JP4. I wouldn't rely on panthers against churchills. Too risky because the RoF isn't high enough to deal with the mammoth HP pool.
20 Jun 2018, 05:53 AM
#26
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is funny how all upset about my criticism. but instead of refuting them they talk garbage and do not bring a counter-argument. only player card blaming. Something like that only make people who have no arguments. just like grammar trolls.

either: refute my criticism ... with factual arguments ... or you are just trolls.

Tipp: i have some replays where i won vs top 60 player.
20 Jun 2018, 06:34 AM
#27
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The OP is talking about 2 churchills, no where is it mentioned that a FF is in the mix. If the opponent is able to get that much fuel then you should have proper counters for that considering how much fuel is needed just to get those units. Therefore by that time you should have panthers/jp4s/rakens which can deal with the churchills. Similarly mines or snares make the Churchills sitting ducks for AT.
20 Jun 2018, 06:44 AM
#28
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The OP is talking about 2 churchills, no where is it mentioned that a FF is in the mix. If the opponent is able to get that much fuel then you should have proper counters for that considering how much fuel is needed just to get those units. Therefore by that time you should have panthers/jp4s/rakens which can deal with the churchills. Similarly mines or snares make the Churchills sitting ducks for AT.


and here comes the problems: rakten are shit and never prepared for tanks like church. they will die mostly with the first hit from them...you can look the posted vid here from luv. his rakten do shit vs churchs and dies mostly figt...

example? Here u go: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/273912846?t=07h07m05s
20 Jun 2018, 06:52 AM
#29
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is funny how all upset about my criticism. but instead of refuting them they talk garbage and do not bring a counter-argument. only player card blaming. Something like that only make people who have no arguments. just like grammar trolls.

either: refute my criticism ... with factual arguments ... or you are just trolls.

Tipp: i have some replays where i won vs top 60 player.


You want me to reply my post about army composition, impossibility of what you've said due to pop cap and that top player reply until you stop deflecting it?

And if you have replays of top 100 plays where you have beaten someone using dual churchill, feel free to upload them to actually reinforce your argument.
20 Jun 2018, 09:42 AM
#30
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 06:52 AMKatitof


You want me to reply my post about army composition, impossibility of what you've said due to pop cap and that top player reply until you stop deflecting it?

And if you have replays of top 100 plays where you have beaten someone using dual churchill, feel free to upload them to actually reinforce your argument.


GCS
Luvenst vs Talisman

Luvnest armies: 2 IS (healing), 1 commando, 1 atgun, 1 mg, 2 engineers (1 heavy). 2x Churchill, 1 FF.

20 Jun 2018, 09:51 AM
#31
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Lol
math 2 grade
luvnest had +16 fuel income Talisman +33 around 80% of the game.

I would win against myself with any faction if I had that kind of advatage
20 Jun 2018, 13:46 PM
#32
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Guys thanks for the Help. I will try to work on my game. Please don't turn threads into online word battles.
20 Jun 2018, 14:40 PM
#33
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Guys thanks for the Help. I will try to work on my game. Please don't turn threads into online word battles.

That is quite difficult when certain people make a habit turning everything into a personal issue.

OKW most cost efficient counter to Churchill are probably JPs.
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