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Pgrens need a damage reduction

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raw
27 Aug 2013, 20:22 PM
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You can really tell when Pgrens start to hit the field when your infantry goes from never dieing to instantly evaporating. This retardation can't be WAD.
5 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
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Nullist
27 Aug 2013, 20:24 PM
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Are you high or drunk?
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Hissy
27 Aug 2013, 20:36 PM
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Stop fighting them at point blank range, use something other than Conscripts? Thanks.
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Cyridius
27 Aug 2013, 20:39 PM
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What's this Penal Battalion unit I'm hearing about? I hear that has good DPS!
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HFSzsoci
27 Aug 2013, 20:48 PM
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Penal Battalion good, but only with use Conscript merge ability reinforced, for 20mp/model.


Conscript=Vanilla Gren< PPSH Conscript=Vanilla Guards<lmg Gren=DP28 Guards=Penal Battalion <Flamer Penal Battlion <PG <Shock Troopers

This is the simplyfied food chain in coh2 inf battle.

Penal with 20 rfc cost one of the best Anti inf squad in the game, for cost/performance.
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=][=mmortal
27 Aug 2013, 20:50 PM
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most players wont have more than 1-2 pgrens out in a game and they are very vulnerable to snipers, mines, vehicles etc. T70s and kv8s in particular lol @ pgrens.

On the other hand im sure shocks dont do enough damage, right OP?
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Basilone
27 Aug 2013, 20:56 PM
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Relative to conscripts and shocktroops right now they are right where they should be. But Shocktroops and Conscripts could use a good damage increase, and if/when they do that I also hope they buff the PGrens to keep the balance between those units the same.
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Hissy
27 Aug 2013, 21:00 PM
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If your seriously suggesting Penal's vs Panzergrens you sir are mad.
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Nullist
27 Aug 2013, 21:05 PM
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The TOTAL unit DPS of these is as follows:
(n/m/f)

Pios: 11.80 / 6.44 / 1.08
CEs: 10.16 / 6.36 / 2.57
Vanilla Cons: 15.24 / 9.55 / 3.85
Cons with PPSH: 23.85 / 13.98 / 4.11
Vanilla Grens: 15.21/9.66/4.11
Grens with G43: 34.01 / 16.51 / 9.01
Grens with LMG: 28.51 / 23.05 / 17.60
Vanilla Guard: 15.59 / 9.86 / 4.14
Guard with DT: 21.08 / 13.7 / 6.32
Osttruppen: 10.57 / 7.19 / 3.82
Artillery Officer: 15.41 / 9.76 / 4.11
(^Assuming the models are Grens)
Penals: 34.35 / 21.66 / 8.98
Pgrens: 45.39 / 25.98 / 6.58
Shocks: 41.08 / 22.84 / 4.61

MGs (raw value, not including % modifiers to suppressed units)
MG42: 26.48 / 14.93 / 3.38
MG42 Crew: 8.85 / 4.83 / 0.81
Maxim: 21.54 / 13.61 / 5.69
Maxim Crew: 5.54 / 3.47 / 1.4

Figures are rounded to 2 decimal places, sourced from:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdEpuSHcxNko1VGVFYjczYXpFZWhqOHc#gid=0
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VP_
27 Aug 2013, 21:09 PM
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Soviet sniper? I have also noticed that su85 snipes pgrens quite well.
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GustavGans
27 Aug 2013, 22:06 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Aug 2013, 20:22 PMraw
You can really tell when Pgrens start to hit the field when your infantry goes from never dieing to instantly evaporating. This retardation can't be WAD.


Seriously mate, do you ever play germans?

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bigchunk1
27 Aug 2013, 22:18 PM
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Snipers, Flamethrower Battalions, Machine guns, T70s, Shock troopers.

Guards do surprisingly well against them because their anti-tank rifles make them dance.

Really, the only unit that gets completely wrecked by them is conscripts... and AT guns.

If they upgrade panzershreks that means they are that much worse against infantry. Can't have both.
"The devil is not as terrible as he is painted" - Joseph Stalin, 1941 in reference to the German war machine.
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pewpewforyou
27 Aug 2013, 22:36 PM
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Don't pgrens have perfect accuracy on the move? That's really the only thing I'd change. I had a squad of conscripts in cover just get lol'ed over in no more than 1 second by two PG squads walking over them from a road. But I really have no issues with them.
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Ekko Tek
27 Aug 2013, 22:41 PM
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Pgrens are fine.
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IpKaiFung
27 Aug 2013, 22:48 PM
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Pgrens are fine, penals on the other hand are shit and that 360mp is better spent on guards or another sniper
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Hissy
27 Aug 2013, 23:12 PM
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They have MP44's why should they not have good on the move accuracy? Shocks are just the same.
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Cyridius
27 Aug 2013, 23:16 PM
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Penals do need a DPS buff so that they totally man handle PGrens at Far range, slightly out DPS them at Mid and lose horribly at Close. Other than that they're fine.
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The_rEd_bEar
27 Aug 2013, 23:22 PM
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No, penals need an armor buff, and shocks need to be cheaper.
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Cardboard Tank
27 Aug 2013, 23:24 PM
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For 360 mp per squad and 45 mp for each member they should pack a punch. Losing PG´s is costly. I personally prefer normal Grenadiers as you get 3 Grenadiers for 2 PG´s and you can use them to better effect on range and with the 42 upgrade.

So I think if Panzergrenadiers were nerfed, I would hardly ever use them.
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Z3r07
27 Aug 2013, 23:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Aug 2013, 23:16 PMCyridius
Penals do need a DPS buff so that they totally man handle PGrens at Far range, slightly out DPS them at Mid and lose horribly at Close. Other than that they're fine.


+1 & reduce mp to 320.
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