Grenadier rifle grenade.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 17:03 PMthedarkarmadillo

Everyone except the Soviet. In society Russia you pay for everything while capitalist pigs get things for just being them

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 17:04 PMStug life

6 men,on field reinforce (cons) and cheaper tech

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 18:22 PMthedarkarmadillo

None of that is free. 6 man squads are the faction flavor, not a tech bonus. Merge is great and all but it's counteract Ed by absolutely no way to heal in field outside a single doctrine and their tech prices line up more or less when the side grades are added. They are not getting free squads or artillery or recon or AA doom emplacement or field reinforcement or their snares/nades/weapon upgrades just for teching up and they are the only faction to do so.
At any rate it wasn't a complaint oflr criticism it was a joke cause "communism is for people who want free shit"

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 20:18 PMStug life

by the same argument the fact that ost has side grade inside tech cost is the faction flavor, or that usf gets squad when they tech up, etc

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 21:09 PMSkysTheLimit

No, not by the same argument. "The 6-men bonus" for the soviets is a lot more like saying "higher armour value" is a bonus for axis. These "bonuses" are directly accounted for with very visible trade-offs. Axis tanks generally cost more; so do the 6-man squads except conscripts, who have a 20% larger target size than grenadiers, have no weapon upgrade, and need 35 fuel invested on JUST THEM alone (BP1 is 40 fuel) to get snare/mollys.

Now IMO getting the rifle-nade and LMG42 with Bp1 is not comparable to free Officers, 25lbers, and the OKW truck bonuses (only 1 of which is free anymore). But the divide is always larger between WFA and EFA than Axis and Allies. Despite the tendency of people to argue along those lines.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 23:38 PMStug life

ALL WEAPON TEAM ARE 4 soviet get 6

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 23:38 PMStug life

ALL WEAPON TEAM ARE 4 soviet get 6

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2018, 06:07 AMEsxile

And all Ostheer faction is design to fight 6men squad. Better mainline infantry, better upgrade, better armor, better pen, better damage etc...
Hey should we say the statistic difference between the Zis and Pak is a free buff for Ostheer? It doesn't make sense.

Soviet is the only faction that doesn't get free stuff. end of the story.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2018, 19:39 PMStug life

ok lets get this clear, if it's allied it's by desing if is axis is free ? whats the argument aganist granade in tech cost if i say " it's counted and balanced in the desing making them weaker and having limitations"?
every faction has pro and cons

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2018, 01:12 AMthedarkarmadillo

Which was accounted for in their balance. Nobody can say the maxim is up to snuff for 260mp MG outside its 6 man crew. Mg34 is comparable in performance but is a chunk cheaper as well, before this overhaul the mortar too was clearly inferior. The zis while versatile is also "worse" in its AT role than 4 man crewed AT guns (although that barrage is pretty tight, should probably be a vet ability tbh...) the 6 man squads is a design choice clearly offset by performance.
An example of 6 men being a teching perk would be- cons are green clones, when t3 is built they get an extra model so they can trounce them like Tommy's do then at t4 they get another model. That's not the case. They pay for durability with performance across the board.

Also, is the Pak howi a Soviet weapon team or is its 6 man squad a perk from teching?
OH and also iirc the 120mm is now a 5 man squad...

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2018, 19:42 PMStug life

do u remember at what number the howy gets decrewed ?
and i said in the post above by playing the desing card one can justify everything, after all "u can't double up lmg 42, u cant put sherck on any unit, etc" as u can see i played like u the desing card

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2018, 19:39 PMStug life

ok lets get this clear, if it's allied it's by desing if is axis is free ?

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 17:04 PMStug life

6 men,on field reinforce (cons) and cheaper tech

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2018, 05:21 AMFiresparks

conscript transfer into another squad retain the high target size.

There's also the fact the act of transfer will likely mean the giving conscript have to retreat.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2018, 16:07 PMLoki

What about this, using the same symbol as the
mg set up timer; the rifle grenade has that set up timer from the point of the ability commencement to when the grenade is in the air. And this "set up" timer can be seen from outside of line of sight.

This would make the time from activated ability to execution the same. Unlike the suggestion which started this thread.

Meaning the old suggestion to make the rifle grenade a time release grenade; is replaced by this new suggestion.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2018, 16:07 PMLoki

What about this, using the same symbol as the
mg set up timer; the rifle grenade has that set up timer from the point of the ability commencement to when the grenade is in the air. And this "set up" timer can be seen from outside of line of sight.

This would make the time from activated ability to execution the same. Unlike the suggestion which started this thread.

Meaning the old suggestion to make the rifle grenade a time release grenade; is replaced by this new suggestion.