Give OKW flame nade a tech cost?

Jump back to quoted post27 May 2018, 07:49 AMzarok47

I know flamenades are a problem, but you are forced to get them as a garrison clearing tool.

If that is delayed (too) much, okw can get locked-down on certain maps.

Either make the nade only throwable on garrisons (ugly fix) or just get rid of it all together and make flamethrower non-doc on sturms.

Jump back to quoted post29 May 2018, 19:08 PMthedarkarmadillo

how wouldn't it? volks had the stick frag to begin with but was changed to a flame nade to make up for the leig being complete pond trash. thats not the case anymore. swapping it to stums and making volks get the flame nades with firestorm seems logical for both flavor and balance.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:53 AMShadowLinkX37

Do people not remember when OKW had model 24 frags on volks? And the faction couldn't clear garrisons for shit? Why? Because squads would just hop out of the garrison and then get back in.

So say you change it back to model 24 frags and this happens again, thats ok though because you can just clear it with the LeIG. Yes that's a wonderful way of again making OKW t2 completly unviable on a garrison map because none of the T2 units can clear worth a damn.

Then people will start bitching about LeIG spam again because it'll be the only viable way to clear garrisons.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:54 AMFiresparks

that was when the Leig was shit against garrison. They've since been buffed.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:53 AMShadowLinkX37

Do people not remember when OKW had model 24 frags on volks? And the faction couldn't clear garrisons for shit? Why? Because squads would just hop out of the garrison and then get back in.

So say you change it back to model 24 frags and this happens again, thats ok though because you can just clear it with the LeIG. Yes that's a wonderful way of again making OKW t2 completly unviable on a garrison map because none of the T2 units can clear worth a damn.

Then people will start bitching about LeIG spam again because it'll be the only viable way to clear garrisons.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:53 AMShadowLinkX37

Do people not remember when OKW had model 24 frags on volks? And the faction couldn't clear garrisons for shit? Why? Because squads would just hop out of the garrison and then get back in.

So say you change it back to model 24 frags and this happens again, thats ok though because you can just clear it with the LeIG. Yes that's a wonderful way of again making OKW t2 completly unviable on a garrison map because none of the T2 units can clear worth a damn.

Then people will start bitching about LeIG spam again because it'll be the only viable way to clear garrisons.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 01:05 AMMittens

TBH thats what USF goes through for the most part with their 25 fuel for tech and 30 muni per nade..... not saying that is shouldn't happen but its present in other factions I guess.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:53 AMShadowLinkX37

Do people not remember when OKW had model 24 frags on volks? And the faction couldn't clear garrisons for shit? Why? Because squads would just hop out of the garrison and then get back in.

So say you change it back to model 24 frags and this happens again, thats ok though because you can just clear it with the LeIG. Yes that's a wonderful way of again making OKW t2 completly unviable on a garrison map because none of the T2 units can clear worth a damn.

Then people will start bitching about LeIG spam again because it'll be the only viable way to clear garrisons.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 02:02 AMthedarkarmadillo

Doesn't have to be removed from the game, just moved off volks. Sturm are the PERFECT unit to have them, being in volks makes them a do it all unit but as someone else said them having the model 24 would make them more burst. No less threatening but different. The ability to deny cover is supremely powerful too powerful to be as plentiful as volks.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2018, 20:37 PMShadowLinkX37

Although lowering the amount of flamenades available would be good, sturms are just relied upon too much. They're supposed to sweep, repair, be AT with pschrecks, be the close quaters assualt unit, and then you want to put the garrison clear on them as well? They also have difficulty getting past vet 2 in most games and fall off once weapon upgrades come online.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:53 AMShadowLinkX37

So say you change it back to model 24 frags and this happens again, thats ok though because you can just clear it with the LeIG. Yes that's a wonderful way of again making OKW t2 completly unviable on a garrison map because none of the T2 units can clear worth a damn.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 06:13 AMEsxile

Wrong, T2 has a certain unit call... Stuka! And yes it cleans houses and, incredible enough, usually force retreat!

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 06:18 AMthedarkarmadillo

Ugh you expect me to use another unit besides volks to kill infantry, clear garrisons, build cover, snare tanks and eventually ball into a death blob? That's not why we're here.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 06:13 AMEsxile

Wrong, T2 has a certain unit call... Stuka! And yes it cleans houses and, incredible enough, usually force retreat!

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 06:34 AMShadowLinkX37

Because building a stuka in 1v1 first vehicle is SO viable. Honestly if people think building a vehicle to counter garrisons is an appropriate counter for an entire tech decision people need to stop bleeding bias from every wound.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 07:13 AMEsxile

Why not?

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 07:18 AMShadowLinkX37

Because in 1v1 the first piece of armor matters a lot. A stuka doesn't do anything vs armor.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 00:55 AMShadowLinkX37

Please read the entire post. I never said the leig was shit in this theoredical situation. People just won't ever use T2 anymore.

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 09:37 AMStug life

why not use tier 2 ? the luch does good damage in garrison and there is the stuka too

Jump back to quoted post30 May 2018, 10:04 AMVipper

Luch is bad vs garrison:
Cover Table

Light cover accuracy 0.5
Light cover damage 1
Heavy cover accuracy 0.5
Heavy cover damage 0.25
Garrison accuracy 0.5
Garrison damage 0.3
Negative accuracy 1.25
Negative damage 1.25