Seems to be the case certain late game big boys are basically unicorns are vet 3 (vanilla churchill, elefant, JT,AVRE, IS-2 and tiger). Some of these I've only seen in the closing stages of a 4vs4s handful of times each in maybe 800+ games in all modes.
Not calling for a massive vet buff here, but say 20% increase could make the game a bit more fun when these late veterancy tiers are actually achievable in your avaerage 40 minute game. It's no secret many of these tanks (KT, Vanilla Churchill, IS-2) have been regarded as a bit UP for a while compared to spamming mediums.
Should lategame tanks vet a bit faster?
24 May 2018, 01:12 AM
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24 May 2018, 01:23 AM
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Churchill don't need no buffs, it's armor is ridiculous.
24 May 2018, 01:30 AM
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I regularly get churchhills to vet 3 in 2v2's. Once it hits vet 2 it really becomes a monster. From the other tanks you listed though I agree it is pretty rare to see them get vet but perhaps its because they just aren't very common to build in the first place (is2 and tiger are pretty rare).
24 May 2018, 01:33 AM
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If you put Churchill in, why not comet, which comes _LATER_ than the churchill? Keepo
Me: I am scared, that i will need to shake ma head the same as when i read ur posts, so i rather not
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Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
24 May 2018, 02:20 AM
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It doesn't help either that some of the units first level of vet is super meh. Is-2 cap territory, Sturm tiger grenade thing, elefant TWP, kv2 cap territory, Churchill crew guns... All kinda meh really making it seem even longer before they get meaningful vet
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24 May 2018, 05:21 AM
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experience requirement is a direct calculation on the unit cost.
more expensive the unit, the harder it is to level it up.
Since veterancy bonus are usually a percentage bonus, veterancy on stronger unit is more powerful hence the higher requirement.
more expensive the unit, the harder it is to level it up.
Since veterancy bonus are usually a percentage bonus, veterancy on stronger unit is more powerful hence the higher requirement.
24 May 2018, 07:31 AM
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The whole vet system needs to be looked at.
24 May 2018, 07:45 AM
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Churchill don't need no buffs, it's armor is ridiculous.
HAHAHA what??? It basically has OKW P4 armour. You know that right?
24 May 2018, 07:48 AM
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Churchill don't need no buffs, it's armor is ridiculous.
Its the same as panther and KV-1.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 May 2018, 08:16 AM
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Its the same as panther and KV-1.
Armor:
Churchill 240/180
Panther 260/90
KV-1 270/165
Churchill has less frontal armor and double the rear of Panther
Pls stop spreading misinformation.
OKW PzIV 234/80
24 May 2018, 09:36 AM
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HAHAHA what??? It basically has OKW P4 armour. You know that right?
And how much more health?
24 May 2018, 10:36 AM
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And how much more health?
OKW medium tank has less HP than British heavy tank. Please NERF Allies now. Axis not at 100% winrate yet.
24 May 2018, 10:42 AM
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Armor:
Churchill 240/180
Panther 260/90
KV-1 270/165
Churchill has less frontal armor and double the rear of Panther
Pls stop spreading misinformation.
OKW PzIV 234/80
which is more or less the same.
24 May 2018, 10:44 AM
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which is more or less the same.
Kv-1 has 12.5% more frontal/side armor than Churchill.
Churchill has 225% rear/side armor more than PzIV.
And according to you its more or less the same. Ok I guess you "the same" has different meaning for you and rest of the world.
24 May 2018, 11:25 AM
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Kv-1 has 12.5% more frontal/side armor than Churchill.
Churchill has 225% rear/side armor more than PzIV.
And according to you its more or less the same. Ok I guess you "the same" has different meaning for you and rest of the world.
It is more or less the same because in 90% of cases you fight vs a tank´s frontal armor. Churchill is not UP, it´s balanced. It still doesn´t have impressive armor but that´s ok because it has decent firepower and HP.
24 May 2018, 11:25 AM
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I love the inclusion of "side armor" when it serves your argumentation, but only when it does.
Armor have little meaning if we don't know who's firing at it with which penetration value.
Or do you think a M1 has much more chance to pen a frontal Panther than a pak a frontal Churchill.
Armor have little meaning if we don't know who's firing at it with which penetration value.
Or do you think a M1 has much more chance to pen a frontal Panther than a pak a frontal Churchill.
24 May 2018, 12:02 PM
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church is such a big enemy for the german units because of its high armor..AND low pene from much german units. when im not wrong jgpz4 has lower pen than FF or Jackson. schrecks have not that that dflection dmg from allie zooks, piats and ptrs...
only pak40 has good pene to deal with the church..to bad that the church have huge HP and even 2 paks cannont fear a church...it drives to them and wipe them alone.
only pak40 has good pene to deal with the church..to bad that the church have huge HP and even 2 paks cannont fear a church...it drives to them and wipe them alone.
24 May 2018, 12:05 PM
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I love the inclusion of "side armor" when it serves your argumentation, but only when it does.
Armor have little meaning if we don't know who's firing at it with which penetration value.
Or do you think a M1 has much more chance to pen a frontal Panther than a pak a frontal Churchill.
The only point I have made so far is that their armor values of the vehicles are not the same and thus claim that these vehicles have the same armor values is simply misleading.
Now if you want to me clarify what the difference is armor means is that oshteer Pz IV has the same frontal/side armor with Churchill rear/side and even you manage to flank a Churchill with PzIV you still still have trouble penetrating.
Pak facing Churchill might penetrate but it will not stop a Churchill, the best counter vs Churchill are stug and JP. So I am not sure what is the Logic behind a Pak vs Churchill and m1 vs Panther.
24 May 2018, 12:38 PM
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The only point I have made so far is that their armor values of the vehicles are not the same and thus claim that these vehicles have the same armor values is simply misleading.
Now if you want to me clarify what the difference is armor means is that oshteer Pz IV has the same frontal/side armor with Churchill rear/side and even you manage to flank a Churchill with PzIV you still still have trouble penetrating.
Pak facing Churchill might penetrate but it will not stop a Churchill, the best counter vs Churchill are stug and JP. So I am not sure what is the Logic behind a Pak vs Churchill and m1 vs Panther.
Side armour does not exist in the game, only front and rear. Regardless of where it hits physically on the vehicle or tank, it is either considered a front or rear hit.
Pls stop spreading misinformation.
24 May 2018, 12:48 PM
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Side armour does not exist in the game, only front and rear. Regardless of where it hits physically on the vehicle or tank, it is either considered a front or rear hit.
I suggest you read and understand before replaying. I never claimed there is a side armor and I did not provide a side armor value, I wrote front/side and rear/side and provided 2 values which means the front half of the vehicle and rear half of the vehicle.
Now, do you actually have anything remotely relative to the topic of thread which is vet speed?
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