Rear armor of some vehicles needs to be reduced

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 02:12 AMShadowLinkX37

So basically allied heavies.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 00:08 AMVipper

In the patch that lowered the rear/side armor of most vehicles certain vehicles where forgotten and currently have more rear armor even than KT.

Rear armor of KT is 150

KV-1 165 should be lowered
KV-2 180 should be lowered
ISU-152 155 should be lowered
KV-8 145 should be lowered
Churchill 180 should be lowered

On the other hand the Hezter with its low range and no turret should have its rear/side armor increased from 80.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 10:33 AMStug life

Churchill and kv 1/8 is a design choice to have more rear armor, for kv2 it should be same as is2 and for isu152 same as elephant

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 10:58 AMVipper

"Heavy armored Tanks

Developer Comments: We felt the risk associated with flanking a Heavy Armored Vehicle was much too great because of the high rear armor. To help balance this risk vs reward we are reducing rear armor on all heavy armor across the board.

Soviet IS-2 rear armor reduced from 205 to 140
Wehrmacht Tiger & Tiger Ace rear armored reduced from 180 to 140
Wehrmacht Elefant rear armor reduced from 150 to 110
OKW Jagdtiger rear armor reduced from 150 to 110
OKW King Tiger rear armor reduced from 225 to 150
British Comet Tank rear armor reduced from 180 to 130"

It is not a designer choice it is an oversight, because those unit where hardly used.

PzIV with 110 penetration has 61% chance to penetrate rear shots vs 180 armor going to 69% at point blank. The chance is simply too low.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 13:17 PMwandererraven

and if reduce Rear armor = Reduce Some Side armor too (Front+Rear/2 = Side)
Panzersherck Able deal Tank easier ?

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 14:32 PMDangerous-Cloth

Flanking with a Panther isn't really that good of an idea. It won't hit anything on the move, it will take ages to kill anything due to low rof and it will most likely get stomped by any allied td.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 13:17 PMwandererraven

Axis most able Flanking Tank Pz4 and Pz5
Pz4 is second worst pen (110/115/125 is small buff in last patch) for non doc Main tank (Pro by higher armor than other )
and pz5 is high value pen
other way Axis have panzersherck Pen 160/170/180
and if reduce Rear armor = Reduce Some Side armor too (Front+Rear/2 = Side)
Panzersherck Able deal Tank easier ?

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 17:39 PMelchino7

Side armor is a myth.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 19:04 PMferwiner

I must say I don't get the argument of "If any unit has a single stat better than KT then it must be nerfed". KT is just a tank, not a hero unit.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 19:06 PMStug life

for isu and kv2 he is right but the others are designed this way

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 19:07 PMferwiner

I'm not saying he is wrong, just that his arguments are not convincing enough for me.

These 2 units are actually pretty far from meta. So if he wants them nerfed for consistency reasons, maybe they should get something in return not to fall into oblivion completely.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2018, 19:32 PMStug life

like the sturmtiger ? hell it was meta before nerf, now it can't even hit