3 mg42's is spam
3 mg34's is spam
3 vickers is spam
3 50 calls is spam
but not 3 maxims, thats just normal right?
why exactly 3 units? can spam, this is already 2? or 4?
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3 mg42's is spam
3 mg34's is spam
3 vickers is spam
3 50 calls is spam
but not 3 maxims, thats just normal right?
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Can I please the document in which it will be described? Since, some people called me a spammer, with 2nd units
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As I said before, spamming machine guns is a valid tactic as is blobbing and as is sim city but the problem is when other factions can't punish these strats. Everything should have a weak side and right now hmg spam, specially maxim spam, doesnt have any counter because the suppression + the low model reinforce allows for later elite infantry spam and/or tank spam and thus effectively covering any weakness that the other player could exploit from hmg spam.
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you thought that against the spam of your infantry, will I expose my own? if you have a lot of infantry, and you can not get through the machine guns, maybe problem not the machine guns, but your build?
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4 core infantry squads isn't spam dude... I wonder how you are supposed to support your tanks and support weapons with only 2 core infantry squads. If one does like >=6 core infantry squads that is spam, I agree, but 3+ support weapons isn't spam? I don't understand why you are playing dumb here, you know this very well.
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4 core infantry squads isn't spam dude... I wonder how you are supposed to support your tanks and support weapons with only 2 core infantry squads. If one does like >=6 core infantry squads that is spam, I agree, but 3+ support weapons isn't spam? I don't understand why you are playing dumb here, you know this very well.
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As I said before, spamming machine guns is a valid tactic as is blobbing and as is sim city but the problem is when other factions can't punish these strats. Everything should have a weak side and right now hmg spam, specially maxim spam, doesnt have any counter because the suppression + the low model reinforce allows for later elite infantry spam and/or tank spam and thus effectively covering any weakness that the other player could exploit from hmg spam.
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okw, there were 4 squads and 1 pio and 1 leig against maxim, while not you, not your partner, from mortars, never blew smoke.
1 mg from OKW would already have made it difficult for me to attack.
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leigs are a waste of manpower this patch, they are only good to deploy smoke because they lack the AoE and/or range. Wehr does deal with maxim spam better because of the sniper and mortar but all it takes is a little mistake for you to get rekt.
Sure one hmg 34 (weakest hmg in the game) would stop 6 maxims with mortar support and zis gun that has light artillery barrage ability...
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If you're not making that up it's just stupid thinking, probably relic overthinking things. "general reinforcement cost rule" LUL
The rule is no longer in affect for infatry since the latest patch have changed the reinforcement cost, reinforcement time and build time of majority of unit units (that had their cost altered).
The rule was not in affect even before when it come to HMG, since the reinforcement cost of maxim and Dshk was 15 while the unit costed 240 and 300 and the HMG-34 was one of most expensive to reinforce (even more than HMG-42)while being the cheaper.
Finally the idea of comparing cost of fully reinforcing squad is flawed, if one want to compared reinforcement cost vs small arm one has to compare by EHP (effective HP)of entity and vs explosive weapons HP of entity.
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For example if conscripts were 30 to reinforce like grens, they would also have to be as good in combat as grens. Nobody would like that ballance wise.
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Cons were balanced to be as good as grens in combat, though only for vet 0 without upgrades. Scaling balance with vet and weapon upgrades is something that wasn't really done, hasn't been done, and at this rate will never really be done.
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Never had a single problem with MG spam since the last patch.
90-95% of all Sovs in 1v1 go T1 as it would be too devastating to miss out on the extremely strong Penals and Snipers.
MG42 can't be spammed. Vickers can't be spammed. 50cal can't be spammed. MG34 can't be spammed.
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Don't want to burst bubbles here, but maxim spam still works just like it did back in the day.
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Are you saying that each model of cons is comparable to each model of grens? That is obviously not true, thankfully so. Otherwise there would be no way for grens to win at vet0, yet they often do.
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you dont even play the game, just garden off nice person
steam forums are perfect for you
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leigs are a waste of manpower this patch, they are only good to deploy smoke because they lack the AoE and/or range. Wehr does deal with maxim spam better because of the sniper and mortar but all it takes is a little mistake for you to get rekt.
Sure one hmg 34 (weakest hmg in the game) would stop 6 maxims with mortar support and zis gun that has light artillery barrage ability...
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From a 2v2 perspective, you have so much to say in theory, but you lack the skill in execution. Leigs are a waste of manpower because you can’t AFK it near a battlegroup and still have it shoot to the frontline? With that logic, the mortar pit is absolute trash as well because one has to actually press a few buttons to barrage past auto attack range now.
What’s really happening is that you’re being presented with certain challenges that you dislike and refuse to adapt to. You have the tools necessary to overcome(mortar/leig) but you refuse to use them and instead whine about it on the forums. Have you thought about rushing a flame HT, getting a stuka, a luchs, smoke and flank, a panzer 4?
People need to think about what they can do to win with what’s available in the game right now, before crying on the forums. The patch is barely a month old and rank 1000s are apparently experts already calling for balance changes.
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