Unofficial Revamp mod (EFA & WFA & Brits)

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2017, 18:53 PMDangerous-Cloth

Good idea, I like that! Never thought of that before.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2017, 20:12 PMChocoboknight88

you'll be forced to only be able to realistically save no more than one emplacement from say... a Stuka Dive Bomber or a Sturmtiger..

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 00:08 AMRifleMan

you just removed 50% of brit faction, the emplacements is a waste to build now, good job, added more thing to the long list of useless things in coh2.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2017, 10:31 AMMarioSilver

FRP

Sure, if you want a 33% constant penalty with a FRP and the structure itself is very easy to level.


Mortar Pit


Kill it with small-arms. It melts to bullets. Furthermore, Brits have no proper indirect-fire outside of the pit non-doctrinally.

Bofors


Destroy it with artillery. Paks also still hit it 60% of the time at maximum range. It also no longer melts infantry or LVs as fast as it previously did.

T3 building


Try and hold the infantry war without upgrades and British tanks are no longer as potent as they were.

Tommies


The ccover bonus is not a bonus if you did research into it. It actually gimps tommies when out of cover. Tommies also will die faster, no longer being nearly as durable as Obers, which was their main issue in infantry fights early game when cover is added.

Universal carrier


Goes along side the pop and XP changes for LVs that taper off, has less armour to deflect small-arms, and you negate changes to things like earlier schrecks for OKW and Ostheer has fausts and their HMGs.

Mortar Pit


Kill it with small-arms. It melts to bullets.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:29 AMLoopDloop

One thing about the 17pdr- as a heavy at solution, shouldn't it be harder to kill with tanks? Because the like, two times I built it ever, it would always just get demolished by tanks or heavily damaged by a single tank. Now the coaxial and pintle guns will kill it even faster too XD

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 06:40 AMChocoboknight88

With all due respect. Why should I use this emplacement for protection for section to make a defensive stand when this is the case? Target size is smaller sure but emplacements surely need to at LEAST have Shock Troop level armour, being "Reinforced" with Sandbags. Their current durability is just too jarring and unrealistic.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:29 AMLoopDloop

One thing about the 17pdr- as a heavy at solution, shouldn't it be harder to kill with tanks? Because the like, two times I built it ever, it would always just get demolished by tanks or heavily damaged by a single tank. Now the coaxial and pintle guns will kill it even faster too XD

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 08:28 AMmycalliope

commandos buffed....and obers and falls nerfed wow
sturmtiger got hard nerfed (nobody asked and for whatever reason because the modders may ahve got pissed in team games guess what should have scouted ahead )but avre remains the same
tommies receive some raw buffs while okw gets useless abilites
concentrated barrage still gives 1 extra round compared to railway arty...
edit : why are rifles allowed to carry double bars again please dont bring the false paper tank argument

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:20 AMmiragefla

FRP
Sure, if you want a 33% constant penalty with a FRP and the structure itself is very easy to level.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:20 AMmiragefla

Mortar Pit
Kill it with small-arms. It melts to bullets. Furthermore, Brits have no proper indirect-fire outside of the pit non-doctrinally.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:20 AMmiragefla

Bofors
Destroy it with artillery. Paks also still hit it 60% of the time at maximum range. It also no longer melts infantry or LVs as fast as it previously did.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:20 AMmiragefla

T3 building
Try and hold the infantry war without upgrades and British tanks are no longer as potent as they were.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:20 AMmiragefla

Tommies
The ccover bonus is not a bonus if you did research into it. It actually gimps tommies when out of cover. Tommies also will die faster, no longer being nearly as durable as Obers, which was their main issue in infantry fights early game when cover is added.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 03:20 AMmiragefla

Universal carrier
Goes along side the pop and XP changes for LVs that taper off, has less armour to deflect small-arms, and you negate changes to things like earlier schrecks for OKW and Ostheer has fausts and their HMGs.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 14:47 PMIA3 - HH

I think the mod almost is complete, now what is next step ?

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 10:32 AMMr.Smith

Mortar Pits have a lot more HP than shocktroops, though. They also need to be vulnerable to something. If it's not indirect fire, and it's not AT guns sniping them, they have to be vulnerable to infantry.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2017, 16:55 PMChocoboknight88

I do agree that it does need a certain weakness and a small arms weakness makes sense but it's a bit too vulnerable under the current stats. I did a test of this and it's quite shocking. I placed two UNUPGRADED Vet 0 Ostheer Pioneers (A realistic assault group size for most players) next to the upgraded British Mortar Pit. It went down in three bursts. Then tried with Sturmpioneers to see it go down in two.

Next with two Vet 0 Panzergrenadiers and then finally two Vet 0 Assault Grenadiers afterwards. It went down in a mere 1.5 bursts from each. That's horrifyingly fast. It makes the USF Fighting Position look like a hardened bunker.

There are light vehicles with more armour and they can still be considered counterable with Small Arms like the Soviet M3. YES, they have less Health but you can still do noticeable damage without it vaporizing.

Combine the fact they have seemingly high health and the now slow repair rate of Sappers and they are just a liability to try and keep alive. I am willing to accept Small Arms as a counter for Mortar Pits but certainly not to this extent.

They don't need the armour of the live version (Which is 5 Armour) but they need to have at least some resistance to show their Sandbags aren't just filled with air. Hell, I'd go no higher than 3 Armour (4 Armour with the Emplacement Regiment).

I'm sure you guys would have agreed if you were able to do more testing before this version was released early. Good thing is, we can keep tweaking it until it feels right since this isn't an official Relic release.