Unofficial Revamp mod (EFA & WFA & Brits)

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2017, 17:17 PMdOPEnEWhAIRCUT

Smith, you guys may want to include within the title of this thread (And the EFA thread) that this is a mod. You know, to prevent any confusion as to whether these changes effect the live version of the game.

Thanks!

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2017, 23:38 PMmiragefla

Given the SU-76 got a substantial penetration nerf, it needs accuracy or it would not be reliable in its primary role. The unit itself doesn't deal a lot of damage unless used in batteries and is very vulnerable to flanks or exploding to AT in general.

The M10 got a boost to mid-range accuracy since it's now being restricted by the call-in changes and the unit in general already has less accuracy than traditional TDs.

SU-85 would be very meh without good accuracy. It already needs more shots to kill the heavier tanks and is a casemate TD which can't really chase. Sure it can take on mediums, but fighting vehicles and tanks is the only thing this unit can do aside from its clunky spotting mechanics.

M36 could possibly see a far nerf, depending, but it's still USF's only primary AT vehicle. No Stuarts, Shermans do not count as they are AV (not AT) or a generalist. Also zooks and ATGs are not exactly mobile enough to chase unless the opponent dives in with tanks.

If you really hate the TDs so much, fight them with inf or ATGs that forces them to back off. Mediums aren't useless as they are still very potent against infantry, respond quickly to harassment, protect core elements of the army by acting as an anchor and can harm TDs if they get around. This isn't a 1v1 game where everything is taken in a vacuum.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 07:29 AMMarioSilver

Yes, I also want to know that. (To know why it is started on the gameplay section rather than the modding board and why it is treated like an official Balance Preview Mod)

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2017, 20:26 PMMr.Smith

Not possible. That's something that only Relic can ever fix.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 08:34 AMFul4n0

I bet they won´t respond to this.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2017, 00:12 AMVipper

In this patch Stug has only 10 more frontal armor than M36 but less HP, less accuracy, less range,less damage, less sight and far less penetrations.

The M36 is far more forgiving than the stug, Su-76, Su-85 if one "is too reckless with it", due to sight bonus, turret, and speed.

The fact that Su-76, Su-85, Firefly, and M36 can snipe PZIV well beyond their range makes PZIV an expensive later version of T70 having a limited window of opportunity.

The chances to score a "natural hit" on mediums at max range simply needs to way down so buffing the accuracy of the M10 and M36 is a step in the wrong direction. Their accuracy should go down not up.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 08:22 AMVipper

Let my try to put this into number so you can understand.
Keep in mind that the chance to hit is to score a "natural hit" and the change allot higher due to collision.
Keep also in mind that Stug, Panther and M10 have a range of 50 while the other a range of 60. Keep also in mind that M10 is designed a flanker TD mobile and cheap.

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Things to note:
Stug chance to damage enemy medium went down to x88%
Su-76 chance to damage enemy medium went up x141%
M36 chance to damage enemy medium went up x114% combined with the extra HP M36 is far better at dealing withe medium.

Other:
The 55+ range tds are so accurate at max range that have accuracy 100%+(with vet) while the 50 range Tds have far less.

Example m36 stug Panther vs medium stationary, move, move with vet bonus

m36 85% 66% 86%
stug 88% 44% 44%
panther 66% 33% 33%

The M36 is x250% times more accurate on the move (vet2)at range 55 than a panther at range 50...

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 19:32 PMFelinewolfie

Panther has twice the health of the Jackson... no, wait
1200 vs 480, was it?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 19:32 PMFelinewolfie

Panther has twice the health of the Jackson... no, wait

1200 vs 480, was it?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 12:53 PMMarioSilver

Yes because the OKW nerfs/paralyzations are so drastic and devastating that they are afraid to announce that it is actually the Summer Balance Preview mod.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 19:56 PMLoopDloop

Lol.

I dare you to name one nerf that can be called "devastating" or "paralyzing".

LE.ig
Revamped to act as a support gun:
- Mini-assault gun when auto-attacking
- High-angle attacks when barraging

- Auto-fire reload from 6.5-7.1 to 4.25
- Fixed an issue where hold-fire wasn’t working
- Penetration reduced from 75 to 35
- Cost from 330 to 280
- Crew size from 1.15 to 1
- Population from 9 to 8
- 1.75 Ready-aim time on barrages to prevent the ability to double-up on rounds


- Auto-fire range from 100 to 70
- Barrage range to 85, cooldown increased from 30 seconds to 40 seconds.
- Number of shells fired in barrage: from 4/8 (vet0/vet4) to 3/6.
- Smoke barrage available. 4 rounds, 30 secs cooldown; cooldown independent from other abilities
-Firing cone from 20 to 5

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 20:23 PMChocoboknight88

Honestly, even as a non-OKW player, these nerfs seem to be over the top. Doubtful that I'll desire to steal them anymore. Especially with such a small Firing Cone.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2017, 20:53 PMChocoboknight88

So in other words, it serves to slows down their reaction time?