Loitering Planes next patch

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2017, 13:25 PMMr.Smith

JU-87 loiter
The ability deals higher than artillery-cover grade criticals, on top of murdering everything on its wake

- At the very least remove criticals from the ability

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 09:39 AMVipper

The issue with loitering planes is that they are too RNG and their performance is greatly reduced by number of players and thus AA assets.

So my suggestions for them would be:
1) Have all AA weapon get a toggle ability that changes the weapon from land target to air targets. That would make countering planes require a bit of player input.

2) Remove critical from planes give the HP. HP could go up depending in the number of players (if possible) to counter weight the number of AA guns.

3) Have planes do single attack pass attacking target so that player get at least something from using ability.

4) After initial pass the loitering planes appear but have their accuracy reduce if they are being fired upon (if possible). With this change the ability becomes less RNG and punishes player for having no AA.

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 23:18 PMLoopDloop

One of the biggest problems with loiters (besides Stuka at loiter) is the fact that they don't work against okw since they get hardcountered by a tech building and base defenses lol. Everyone else had to build their AA or at the bare minimum buy the upgrade on their tanks if available.

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 23:41 PMPanzerGeneralForever

It's particularly frustrating when they shoot down your logistics glider so you can't get commandos or the FRP

I think OKW base flaks shouldn't shoot down planes at all OR not until all three buildings are teched.

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 21:37 PMShadowLinkX37

Is it possible to negate parts of the AoE of loiter circles in base sectors? For many maps this isn't an issue, but if the base sector is thin and long such as north on faymonville approach, you can drop IL-2 sturmovik strafe right outside the base and watch as it gibs any non fully reinforced infantry sitting on the retreat point. This is partially a map issue, but it still annoying and requires little skill to pull off. Also OKW flak base defenses can be decrewed by planes, I don't think they'll target them manually but if their target goes near them the bullet AoE will hit the crew members.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2017, 02:39 AMelchino7

Even better, why not remove the gimmicky of Flak bunkers on HQ and replace them with MG bunkers as all other factions? (I've always complained about this and the random USF HMG on the circular base). If anything, those flak bunkers should be the ones in the doctrinal ability.

All heavy based AA should had a toggle mode which would go from attacking land or air targets.



#Dream: all loiter and single strafe runs (maybe including bombing runs) should work like this: they are called from offmap and they circle around an area. For X amount of time, you have time to select where you want the plane to attack (in that zone).

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 18:18 PMferwiner

That way if all 4 players use the ability at the same time the opposing team finds themselves in a terrible situation. Yes, they possibly have 4 times the AA presence, but they also have 16 times the health of planes to chew through.

Current planes have been changed multiple time in the history of the game and currently they are almost on point. Only need some slight polish. Making revolutionary changes at that point will just have unpredicted effects that will need few more years to ballance... What I wrote is just one of these effects.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2017, 14:06 PMVipper

I would suggest testing your scenario in the current situation and watch how fast all 8 planes are shot down by single Quad.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2017, 14:11 PMferwiner

I'm not against ballancing AA and planes. Or even giving theam HP. I'm against changing their hp/chance of destruction based on number of players, becouse that would allow for new cheese as proven in my last post.