MG42 vs Maxim Suppression

Does Maxim suppress and pin faster than MG42?
Just curious.
Because it seems that.

yes

A-moving maxim pins down MG42 in green cover and wins the engagement (01:36:39 Example)

much skill needed to pull off maxim spam

Maxim has highest suppression per bullet of any stock MG sitting at 0.0175 with a rate of fire of 8 rounds per 2.25 seconds.

MG42 has the highest total suppression per burst of any stock MG sitting at 0.012 with a rate of fire of 16 rounds per 1.625 seconds.

If I'm not mistaken, the suppression value is individually calculated per model and then once the squad as a whole reaches 0.2 total suppression they go into the suppressed state. <--- this could be totally wrong if someone knows the actual answer for sure.

Maxim has highest suppression per bullet of any stock MG sitting at 0.0175 with a rate of fire of 8 rounds per 2.25 seconds.

MG42 has the highest total suppression per burst of any stock MG sitting at 0.012 with a rate of fire of 16 rounds per 1.625 seconds.

If I'm not mistaken, the suppression value is individually calculated per model and then once the squad as a whole reaches 0.2 total suppression they go into the suppressed state. <--- this could be totally wrong if someone knows the actual answer for sure.

you forgot the Dushka HMG call-in

Maxim suppresses a single target faster than an MG42 quite reliably.

A-moving maxim pins down MG42 in green cover and wins the engagement (01:36:39 Example)

much skill needed to pull off maxim spam

Yeah, I think I recall the penalties from suppression and pinning between the two HMGs are basically alike percentages, but the actual increase to the reload times and suppression reduction are basically going to let the Maxim get un-pinned from the MG42 which will proceed to inevitably win regardless of cover thereafter in a 1v1 because unlike the Maxim, the MG42 won't really be shooting at some point.

My problem is that although there are punishments for an MG being suppressed and firing again, it doesn't designate a clear winner. Frequently MG's will walk into a field of fire set up and be suppressed and then suppress the other MG. This should happen 0% of the time.

you forgot the Dushka HMG call-in

I said "stock MGs"

Maxim suppresses in one burst. It is the most effective braindead a-moving unit of the game.

I said "stock MGs"

My problem is that although there are punishments for an MG being suppressed and firing again, it doesn't designate a clear winner. Frequently MG's will walk into a field of fire set up and be suppressed and then suppress the other MG. This should happen 0% of the time.

Yeah, regardless of whose winning off of it, MGs fights consisting of being suppressed or pinned and then getting not so because the other one doesn't fire for like 20 seconds is plain silly. A look at the suppression and pinning penalties on HMGs causing this would be quite nice, even if rarely used.

I said "stock MGs"

.50 Cal T-T

Great, an ancient piece of shit beats something that's clearly superior and made 30 years later.

The potato masher beats Hitler's buzzsaw, it's like communist heaven.

Great, an ancient piece of shit beats something that's clearly superior and made 30 years later.

The potato masher beats Hitler's buzzsaw, it's like communist heaven.

Disregarding that this is indeed a game, the MG42 had significant weaknesses in areas where the maxim had strengths and vice versa.

While the MG42 had a RoF that was literally stunning, it could not fire continuously. It also required barrel reloads and a large heavy gun. This was further compounded by the need for numerous team members to operate the gun. It was however superb at its job, suppression.

The maxim, while heavy, was able to fire almost constantly as long as ammo was available. It was therefore far more effective as an automatic rifle, able to lay fairly accurate rounds on target for long periods. It was designed to sweep back and forth, effectively forever so it could mow down advancing waves of humans, aka WWI battles. It was generally reliable and easy to make so it was useful.

While these two guns are technically MG's they function in very different roles in the battlefield. The 42 is technologically a jump from the Maxim, but both guns have very potent impact when used correctly. After WWII the introduction of large scale semi automatic and automatic rifles make the maxim redundant.

Disregarding that this is indeed a game, the MG42 had significant weaknesses in areas where the maxim had strengths and vice versa.

While the MG42 had a RoF that was literally stunning, it could not fire continuously. It also required barrel reloads and a large heavy gun. This was further compounded by the need for numerous team members to operate the gun. It was however superb at its job, suppression.

The maxim, while heavy, was able to fire almost constantly as long as ammo was available. It was therefore far more effective as an automatic rifle, able to lay fairly accurate rounds on target for long periods. It was designed to sweep back and forth, effectively forever so it could mow down advancing waves of humans, aka WWI battles. It was generally reliable and easy to make so it was useful.

While these two guns are technically MG's they function in very different roles in the battlefield. The 42 is technologically a jump from the Maxim, but both guns have very potent impact when used correctly. After WWII the introduction of large scale semi automatic and automatic rifles make the maxim redundant.

No hmg can fire constantly due to reloads and barrel overheat even for water cooled weapon.

The fact that HMG42 and its decedents (MG3) are still in use while water cooled hmg are obsolete speaks values for their performance in real life.

Disregarding that this is indeed a game, the MG42 had significant weaknesses in areas where the maxim had strengths and vice versa.

While the MG42 had a RoF that was literally stunning, it could not fire continuously. It also required barrel reloads and a large heavy gun. This was further compounded by the need for numerous team members to operate the gun. It was however superb at its job, suppression.

The maxim, while heavy, was able to fire almost constantly as long as ammo was available. It was therefore far more effective as an automatic rifle, able to lay fairly accurate rounds on target for long periods. It was designed to sweep back and forth, effectively forever so it could mow down advancing waves of humans, aka WWI battles. It was generally reliable and easy to make so it was useful.

While these two guns are technically MG's they function in very different roles in the battlefield. The 42 is technologically a jump from the Maxim, but both guns have very potent impact when used correctly. After WWII the introduction of large scale semi automatic and automatic rifles make the maxim redundant.

The Maxim was an outdated heavy machine gun design even before the first world war, well, it wasn't out-dated back then but still, by WW2 standards it is outdated.

As Vipper pointed out, air-cooled was the way to go, you had a lighter weight MG that could fire from both a bipod, tripod and vehicle mount and could be operated by 2 guys, 1 carrying the MG itself while the other carried the ammo or tripod if the unit was issued with such. Ammo was not a problem since the German squad was focused on the MG so all of the riflemen basically carried ammo for the MG, not to mention the rounds were the same.

The only real thing you needed as a German MG gunner was a good position and access to ammo basically, extra barrels were carried by either you or your loader and could be changed in under 20 seconds by a crack crew, that's the window most Allied infantry used to attack the MG's position as well since the MG only stopped to fire either because it ran out of ammo and needs to reload or because the barrel overheated and needed to be changed.

While the Maxim and it's derivatives required more men to carry them because they were heavy due to their water cooled jacket, making battlefield mobility for them a problem, and the Soviet Maxim gun couldn't always be push on it's carriage due to the terrain unlike the German MGs which like I said, could be carried by a single guy.

Hell the only machine guns that could be hip and shoulder fired even were the German MGs, well them and the American M1919A4s that is, the M1919A6s being the LMG variants which are not HMGs so for the sake of this discussion I will not include them here. John Basilone in the Pacific Front being one of the few rare instances of someone being able to effectively carry and hipfire the heavier Browning M1917 water cooled machine gun.

I still believe the German MGs were superior to any other HMGs during the entire war, only seconded by the American M1919 and it's many different variants, the BAR and Bren weren't really that much LMG weapons since they were designed for "walking fire" and not designed to be LMGs like the German MGs were.

Disregarding that this is indeed a game, the MG42 had significant weaknesses in areas where the maxim had strengths and vice versa.

While the MG42 had a RoF that was literally stunning, it could not fire continuously. It also required barrel reloads and a large heavy gun. This was further compounded by the need for numerous team members to operate the gun. It was however superb at its job, suppression.

The maxim, while heavy, was able to fire almost constantly as long as ammo was available. It was therefore far more effective as an automatic rifle, able to lay fairly accurate rounds on target for long periods. It was designed to sweep back and forth, effectively forever so it could mow down advancing waves of humans, aka WWI battles. It was generally reliable and easy to make so it was useful.

While these two guns are technically MG's they function in very different roles in the battlefield. The 42 is technologically a jump from the Maxim, but both guns have very potent impact when used correctly. After WWII the introduction of large scale semi automatic and automatic rifles make the maxim redundant.

You sir, are wrong. Here is why:

Maxim Weight: 27kg
MG42 Weight: 12kg

Additionally, if you look at the articles above, the MG42 had a 3 man crew, whereas the Maxim had a 4 man crew.

The Maxim was an outdated heavy machine gun design even before the first world war, well, it wasn't out-dated back then but still, by WW2 standards it is outdated.

As Vipper pointed out, air-cooled was the way to go, you had a lighter weight MG that could fire from both a bipod, tripod and vehicle mount and could be operated by 2 guys, 1 carrying the MG itself while the other carried the ammo or tripod if the unit was issued with such. Ammo was not a problem since the German squad was focused on the MG so all of the riflemen basically carried ammo for the MG, not to mention the rounds were the same.

The only real thing you needed as a German MG gunner was a good position and access to ammo basically, extra barrels were carried by either you or your loader and could be changed in under 20 seconds by a crack crew, that's the window most Allied infantry used to attack the MG's position as well since the MG only stopped to fire either because it ran out of ammo and needs to reload or because the barrel overheated and needed to be changed.

While the Maxim and it's derivatives required more men to carry them because they were heavy due to their water cooled jacket, making battlefield mobility for them a problem, and the Soviet Maxim gun couldn't always be push on it's carriage due to the terrain unlike the German MGs which like I said, could be carried by a single guy.

Hell the only machine guns that could be hip and shoulder fired even were the German MGs, well them and the American M1919A4s that is, the M1919A6s being the LMG variants which are not HMGs so for the sake of this discussion I will not include them here. John Basilone in the Pacific Front being one of the few rare instances of someone being able to effectively carry and hipfire the heavier Browning M1917 water cooled machine gun.

I still believe the German MGs were superior to any other HMGs during the entire war, only seconded by the American M1919 and it's many different variants, the BAR and Bren weren't really that much LMG weapons since they were designed for "walking fire" and not designed to be LMGs like the German MGs were.

+1

if compare UKF Vickers HMG in this game what the hell design Rate of fire same HMG42

If I'm not mistaken, the suppression value is individually calculated per model and then once the squad as a whole reaches 0.2 total suppression they go into the suppressed state. <--- this could be totally wrong if someone knows the actual answer for sure.

As far as I know suppression is squad value not an entity value. Only the entity being fired upon matters.

Maxim was outdated as soon as quick-change barrels made water cooling obsolete. Water cooling was still better for sustained fire but the restrictions on mobility caused it to be phased out. Russian DP-28 might be a better comparison.

Anyways, I'd argue that for balance MG42 and Maxim should have virtually identical suppression outputs.