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Relic Winter Balance Preview
(MERGED NOTES V1.0 to v1.5) Update

Winter Balance (MERGED NOTES V1.0 to v1.5) Notes here -->

Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.5 Update -->

V1.5 UPDATE
SOVIETS
Penals

We have found that the flamer assault package achieves the intended outcome of preventing the squad from scaling too well into the late-game. Unfortunately the nature of the package combined with the time of arrival would make this package too potent for certain matchups, especially when combined with an M3A1 scout car. To delay the package, and to present people that want to rush early flamers with a strategic trade-off, we are locking the Penal flamer upgrade behind molotov tech.

Fixed an issue where Penals previously merged to the squad would all retain SVT rifles when the squad is researched
Locked Flamer behind molotov upgrade

USF
USF mortar

The USF mortar is still very lethal, given the early-game strength of the faction it is in, as well as the characteristics of the opposing factions. To keep things fair and unique, we are further reducing the raw damage (and range) in exchange for mobility. Thus, the USF mortar, like all mortars in the game, will have a particular area it excels in, and it will better fit the theme of the faction.

Cost reduced from 260MP to 240MP
Near AoE distance further reduced from 0.9 to 0.75
Pack-up time improved from 1.9 to 1.1

Stuart

The Stuart tank receives some interesting bonuses with its veterancy that would allow it to scale into the late-game as a scout, and as a harassment tool. To ease Stuartâs transition into the late-game, we reducing the veterancy requirements of the stuart, which are currently too high, compared to other vehicles.

Veterancy requirements reduced from 1170/2340/4680 to 870/1740/3480

M15

Weâve found that the M15 simply takes too long to achieve maximum veterancy level and benefit from the scalability bonuses we have introduced in WBP.

Vet requirements reduced from 1290/2580/5160 to 1000/2000/4000
Improved an issue where the main gun would have difficulty tracking aircraft

UKF
PIATs

We have found out that due to a numerical mistake, the reworked PIATs achieve a much higher damage output than the one we intended for them:

Reload cycle prolonged (now made equal to bazookas)
Post_firing_aim_time increased from 0 to 1.25
Cooldown time decreased from 1.25 to 0
Reload time increased from 4.5 to 5.75

Universal Carrier

We have found that the universal carrier has a very difficult time to perform its anti-garrison role once certain events happen: a counter enters the field, an MG42 achieves veterancy 1 (with phosphorous rounds). To improve the situation and allow the British faction to have a somewhat reliable anti-garrison tool apart from the Mortar Pit, we are trading some armour for the universal carrier off for raw hitpoints. This tradeoff will make the universal carrier more resilient to the following kinds of threats:

MG phosphorous rounds
Light vehicles
(upgraded) carriers vs schreck-equipped squads

At the same time, we have found that the carrier is particularly good at âtankingâ damage, by being able to out-repair it. The same armour-for-HP trade-off will make tanking less feasible than before. This will also make engaging the carrier with small arms fire feel more reliable.

The Universal Carrier with its fixed-arc weapons has a very difficult time gaining experience in the later phases of the game, especially once anti-tank guns hit the field. To rectify, we are expanding the shared veterancy mechanic to the universal carrier as well. We have also readjusted the veterancy requirements for levels 1 and 2 to bring the carrier in line with other units, and make the transition more smooth.

To give players an actual goal to strive towards for attaining veterancy for their carriers, we are giving the carrier the ability to capture points when it reaches max level. Thus, a universal carrier will feel less of a dead-weight unit for the late game.

Base HP increased to 240 (upgrades still yield +40HP)
Front armour reduced from 10 to 8.333
Rear armour reduced from 5 to 4.167
Upgrade also increases armour by 1.029 times (to compensate)
Universal carrier now receives shared veterancy
Veterancy requirements reduced from 720/1440/2160 to 540/1080/2160
Veterancy 3 yields passive territory capture

BUG FIXES

Fixed an issue where the original crew of the M42 would sometimes drop prone on the ground, thus inhibiting movement

Fixed an issue where decrewing a vehicle with hold-fire on would permanently put the vehicle in a hold-fire state

Bug Fixes (mod-only)

Fixed bug where Katyusha/Panzerwerfer minimap icons would not indicate the rotation of the vehicle (after icon resizing QoL change)

Fixed an issue where it would be possible to throw AT satchels for free. AT satchels can no longer be targeted on friendly units.
Adjusted the UI text of Kubelwagen detection to indicate that detection disables movement while active.

QoL (Mod-Only)

Adjusted the minimap icons size for the following units: Sexton, 250, Zis truck

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Maybe people will not actually purchase the Molotov upgrade.

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I guess, I had too many expectations.

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Nice changes. Expected bigger ones, but these are logical and nice, so I´m fine with them. Keep up the good work guys. Cheers

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They really want to keep up those flamers?...

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cool idea

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13 Jan 2017, 18:31 PM__deleted__

Nice changes. Expected bigger ones, but these are logical and nice, so I´m fine with them. Keep up the good work guys. Cheers

I was hoping, they release patch next weak.

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Interesting idea about the molotov-flame. Might work, will definitely test it out.
Maybe, if the molotov-flame idea is working good, we could do the same with ptrs's and at nades?

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Permanently Banned

I feel somebody are sad about thing with OKW aa ht, and he decide make it with penals. Nice idea (nope). Unlock useles molotovs 4Head.

Relic killing our game, lets save COH2 from Relic

If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
If Dane will be have son, he will be call him (Sturmgeschütz)

Brotheres, what we do in coh2, ehoes in eternity

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Vet3 UC turns into a Kubel with balls? So, a Wasp can cap a point at Vet3?

- is the flame gun neutered while the capture occurs?

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13 Jan 2017, 19:10 PMMajorBloodnok

Vet3 UC turns into a Kubel with balls? So, a Wasp can cap a point at Vet3? - is the flame gun neutered while the capture occurs?

For the time being all guns are blazing. However, if that turns out to be OP, it might change to the soviet variant or something.

Kubel vet5 is also attainable

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)

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Posts: 2885

Love the changes

Good job guys. I also like that there is not too many of them this time. Better focus is always welcome.

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13 Jan 2017, 18:58 PM|GB| The Hooligan486

Interesting idea about the molotov-flame. Might work, will definitely test it out.
Maybe, if the molotov-flame idea is working good, we could do the same with ptrs's and at nades?

+ 1.

@ Mr Smith, is an upgrade/teching for Ptrs under consideration.

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This is getting a bit hard to follow. Is there any place where I can read what changes have been done from the live patch to 1.5? Or do I have to look at all versions to get the complete picture?

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13 Jan 2017, 18:58 PM|GB| The Hooligan486

Interesting idea about the molotov-flame. Might work, will definitely test it out.
Maybe, if the molotov-flame idea is working good, we could do the same with ptrs's and at nades?

sound gud i like tech style

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Like these changes; these are more adjustments than outright balance changes except for UC. Will be interesting to see how that plays.

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Any smoke option for OKW ?

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13 Jan 2017, 19:55 PMempyriumm

Any smoke option for OKW ?

Flak HT? Blendkorpfer?

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13 Jan 2017, 18:58 PM|GB| The Hooligan486

Interesting idea about the molotov-flame. Might work, will definitely test it out.
Maybe, if the molotov-flame idea is working good, we could do the same with ptrs's and at nades?

13 Jan 2017, 18:58 PM|GB| The Hooligan486

Interesting idea about the molotov-flame. Might work, will definitely test it out.
Maybe, if the molotov-flame idea is working good, we could do the same with ptrs's and at nades?

If we go for the PTRS-flavoured Penals (especially the ones you've been seeing for 1.3-1.5), their PTRS will not bet gated behind the AT grenade upgrade. This is because:
- AT Grenade upgrade is rather expensive
- PTRS Penals are already a downgrade for most part, compared to guards; we don't want to make them any worse than that.

However, from v1.6, and for a few versions, we will be trialing a PTRS-free version of Penals.

The reason locking flamers behind molotovs makes sense is so that you can't rush flamer + scout car and murder everything (without very little consequences). We'll see, though.

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13 Jan 2017, 19:56 PMferwiner

Flak HT? Blendkorpfer?

OKW need disposable smoke by default or doktrinal like other armies. You cant pass through blendkorpher and it arrives too late...

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黎霏洺
317
210
.602
+1
5.
ukill
197
158
.555
+2
6.
BATTLEDANNY1
402
287
.583
+3
7.
Rodinho
513
384
.572
+4
8.
一个坏人
134
47
.740
+4
9.
godjaemin
477
322
.597
-3
10.
Starry sky
753
589
.561
+3

                    

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